How Is It Even A Question Whether Ray Robinson Was The Greatest Of All Time Or Not???

Let's compare:

Here's their records against fighters who were at the very least ranked contenders at one point or another, with the bolded fighters being Hall of Famers:

Ray Robinson

Joe Ghnouly
Pete Lello
Maxie Shapiro
Maxie Berger
Norman Rubio (x2)
Tony Motisi
Reuben Shank
Izzy Jannazzo (x4)
Ralph Zannelli
Sheik Rangel
Tommy Bell (x2)
George Costner (x2)
Jose Basora (x2)
Jimmy McDaniels
California Jackie Wilson (x2)
Cecil Hudson (x2)
Georgie Abrams
Jimmy Doyle
Bernard Docusen
Vic Dellicurti
Steve Belloise
Aaron Wade
Ray Barnes
Robert Villemain (x2)
Charley Fusari
Bobby Dykes
Holly Mims
Artie Levine
Cyrille Delanoit
Rocky Castellani
Denny Moyer
Hans Stretz
Ralph Dupas

Sammy Angott (x3)
Fritzie Zivic (x2)
Jake LaMotta (x5)
Henry Armstrong
Kid Gavilan (x2)
Carl Olson (x4)
Randolph Turpin
Rocky Graziano
Gene Fullmer
Carmen Basilio


Henry Armstrong

Frankie Covelli
Varias Milling (x2)
Bobby Levyas
Juan Zurita (x2)
Mike Belloise (x3)
Rodolfo Casanova
Tony Chavez (x2)
Moon Mullins
Aldo Spoldi (x4)
Frankie Klick
Ritchie Fontaine (x2)
Lew Massey
Enrique Venturi
Pete DeGrasse
Petey Sarron
Billy Beauhuld
Frankie Castillo
Everett Rightmire
Lew Feldman (x2)
Ceferino Garcia (x2)
Al Manfredo (x2)
Bobby Pacho (x2)
Davey Day
Ernie Roderick
Jimmy Garrison (x4)
Paul Junior (x2)
Joe Ghnouly
Ralph Zannelli (x3)
Sheik Rangel
Leo Rodak
Jimmy McDaniels
Tippy Larkin
Maxie Shapiro
Willie Joyce (x2)
Frankie Wills
John Thomas
Saverio Turiello (x3)
Al Davis

Midget Wolgast
Baby Arizmendi (x3)
Benny Bass
Chalky Wright
Barney Ross
Lou Ambers
Lew Jenkins (x2)
Fritzie Zivic
Sammy Angott
Pedro Montanez

I never said Armstrong was better, I'm just waiting to see if you can back up your claims. You started the thread after all. You asked how it was conceivable to judge anyone else superior to Robinson, I'm merely showing you how the argument could be presented. I'd have no problem with ranking Armstrong over Robinson or vice versa. They are obviously extremely close, along with the other 3 fighters I mentioned earlier. You're the only one who's being unreasonable by insinuating that Robinson is head and shoulders above everyone else.

 

I dont argue with you, for me he is the best ever after one particular guy and that has nothing to do with record or how many division he climbed or any other bull****. for me rjj is the best boxer ever because in his prime he was like an alien, unhumanly skilled, I doubt he even lost 1 singular round in his his 5 year prime time, what was around when he beat pazienza...

 

what is your p4p top 10. are they only old schoolers? do you have some new generation boys like rjj. pac or leonard?

 

No, it's a thread that you started, berating anyone who disagreed with your opinions. I figured you must've had a pretty strong argument to have such a strong opinion on the matter. That doesn't seem to be the case.

He was a natural Welterweight. He was moving up 13 pounds. Plenty of fighters have done similar if not more impressive things in terms of weight jumping. If you're going to argue that he started his career lower, sure, but that's because he was young and undeveloped.

Which Middleweights did he "out-muscle"?

I agree.

They did fight, but Armstrong was well past his prime, not to mention the naturally smaller man. Ray out-boxed him handily.

A bit.

 

leonard is low. and may and rjj are above leonard, interessting...

 

No he doesn't.