How is it that ali "lost his legs" and declined during the layoff?

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  1. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Supposedly he was still able to train during exile.
    Yet when he came back he was seen as diminished, more hitable.
    When he came back he was only 28 and hadn't taken any punishment or abused his body in the meantime.
    Do fighters just start losing their energy/agility at 25, earlier than any other attribute? Mike tyson and RJJ also became more static before they even hit 30
     
  2. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He barely trained at all during his exile, Angelo Dundee mentioned that. He said the difference between Ali and Leonard in their time out is that Leonard kept in shape whilst Ali just got fat.
     
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  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    He was out of the ring for 3 and a half years.
     
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  4. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The ring doesnt have any magical properties regarding your legs/agility. Only thing being in the ring often does is being used to the actual fight atmosphere and being used to take punches with fight gloves
    That answer doesnt eplain anything, but if like @Wass1985 says ali didnt train and got fat that could be an explenation, i have dundee's book i must have missed the part where he said ali got fat, i always thought he did exhibitions and other things involving boxing to sustain himself.
     
  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, he did basically no training I think. He had a sparring session not long before he started training for Quarry, to see if he had anything left, and an exhibition some time after that. And there's a story about him coming down to the gym some time during the exile and sparring with Norton. But no regular training.

    Leonard trained two times a week and still lost a lot of his legs. You need proper pro training to sustain your level I guess. Of course Leonard's lifestyle with coke and drinking can't have helped either.

    But I can't see any top athlete sitting on his ass for 3,5 years and being the same afterwards, even if they live a relative clean life. A fighter who trains and lives well but doesn't have any fights might actually be better off once he has had enough fights to get the rust off, though, since he will have less wear and tear.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You don't think being out of the ring for 3.5 years explains why he last his stamina and footwork? What would you put it down to then? Joe Louis did hundreds of exhibitions during his army service do you think that takes the place of actual combat?
     
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  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tyson wasn't able to do any proper boxing training for 3 years. That can't be good for timing and technique, but he, like Ali, seemed to decline even more in terms of stamina. That's what did him in against Holy. They fought the first five on even terms, but after that Mike started to fade.
     
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  8. Unforgiven

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    It's because he was so phenomenal at a young age. I don't think the lay-off was a real factor at all. Obviously you can argue it made a difference on his first few fights back, but not after that.

    Ali was a freak. His agility was freakish for a heavyweight and it was only a matter of time before his matured body settled down a bit. What he was doing at 24/25 years old wouldn't have lasted much longer, it was too far off the norm. And even a small decline is noticeable to the outside observer.
     
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  9. Unforgiven

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    I think Holyfield just battered the crap out of him.
     
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  10. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It doesnt explain it if he was still in the gym! Being in the army is not the same as living the life of a pro athlete.
    but apparently ali wasnt training. not having an actual professional boxing match wont hurt your stamina or footwork, but not training sure will. I didnt know that he stopped training during exile.
     
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  11. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Speed and agility were Ali's main strengths and they're usually the things that go first, great fighters adapt.
     
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  12. mcvey

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    You seem to be the only one who was unaware he was not training.Maybe you could have saved yourself,[ and us ,]the trouble by doing some research of your own? I mean, quite frankly is there any boxer, professional athlete , anywhere in the world who has had more documented information written about him?
     
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  14. NoNeck

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    I would think that the difference was the mountain of cocaine that Leonard consumed.
     
  15. NoNeck

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    Tyson's style required more stamina than Ali's.