How is Mayweather going to get his punches off vs Pac?

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  1. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    lol...his reach is longer than pac's..he can literally steal shots over the top because off it. Add in his quickness and timing. Question cant be serious.
     
  2. dangerousity

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    This is how Floyd wins:

    He dances around using his long reach to potshot and as long as Pac gets close, Floyd clinches for dear life. I believe this is a very real possibility, if Floyd fights like that, expect Maidana 2 boring kind of match. It's up the ref to penalise illegal boxing moves in there, ie clinching.
     
  3. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Clinching is not illegal. Excessive holding is illegal. If I punch you before I clinch, that isn't holding. I punched you. If I keep running in and grabbing without punching, that's illegal. I'm looking to "hold" not "punch and clinch." There is a difference.

    Pretty sure Mayweather averages about 45 punches a round thrown, so... good luck with that holding deduction.
     
  4. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm a boxing coach, I know very well the rules of boxing.

    Check out rule no.2 of Marquess of Queensberry rules. It's only permissive when the clinch is accidental, as Floyd demonstrated in Maidana 2 fight, none of those clinches were accidental. They were initiated for the purpose of stopping the action and boxing.

    Clinching, elbows, bending below waist...just a whole lot of illegal moves Floyd repeatedly gets away with.
     
  5. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, but it is referee discretion to determine what is accidental, and what is a result of defense, running into each other, etc. You're not supposed to hit behind the head either. But some referees will let more of that slip than others. Some guys break the action sooner, other guys let you work through it. Etc. etc. etc. Other guys will let a man get pummeled half to death before stepping in, some other guy might step in after a few seconds of bad action.

    Referee discretion. It's a part of boxing.

    And great fighters have got away with plenty if "grey area" tactics throughout boxing history. What you're describing as "illegal," is considered "cagey," "veteran," or "smart" by many. Bend the rules a bit, get some warnings, but not enough to get a point taken off. Hold on the other side of the referee so his vision is obstructed. This is nothing new, and I honestly don't see why it is an issue. If you get hit you low and the referee doesn't see it, you going to stop and complain? So you get laid out like Sharkey did vs Dempsey? No, you keep fighting. "Welcome to the pros..." as they say. (Or you could be like Duran and give them a hard punch low right back :lol:)

    If Pacquiao is as great as some people claim, he'll overcome whatever tactics Floyd throws at him, prove he's the better man that night, and win the fight. No excuses please.
     
  6. dangerousity

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    Punching the ***** is illegal, there's no grey area there. So if a referees discretion made it ok to ignore low blows we should just be ok with it? Illegal is illegal, it just so happens that referees tend to give some illegal moves a pass more than others.

    You would have a point if Floyds clinching in Maidana 2 wasnt so blatantly holding to stop the action and therefore the boxing.

    I guess Pac should take steroids then, if Floyd is a great as people claim, then he'll overcome whatever shakes he's taking. But health comes first :deal
     
  7. Cinderella Man

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    Mayweather's straight right > Pacquiao's straight left. His timing, superior precision and 5 inches reach advantage will allow him to beat Pacquiao to the punch all night long. Mayweather will assuredly use the jab to the body to break Pacquiao's rythm as well, and counter him with left hooks and some more straight rights.

    I just can't see anything else than a Mayweather UD, most likely very close because judges like to give points for flailing punches that don't land.
     
  8. twofear

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    pretty much how i see the fight is going to be, but the tangibles on this fight is really great that it makes it hard to be sure who's going to win :good
     
  9. dangerousity

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    Mayweathers straight right:
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    Pac's straight left:
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  10. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Learn how to read, as I never said a referee should ignore a low blow. If the referee doesn't see the low blow, what are you going to do? Sit in the middle of the ring and cry about it? That seems to be your stupid ass theory Mr. Boxing Coach. Ridiculous.

    Let me spell it out for you: If you're GOOD/GREAT, you know how to bend the rules and get away with it. Period. If you're going to sit on your moral high horse, it's pretty clear you were never jack at any sport you've ever played. Seriously. WhoTF says that kind of BS? You can NAME ANY COMPETITIVE SPORT ALIVE essentially, and there are ways to get an edge by bending the rules. Sorry. Whether it's a jersey tug in the NFL, a slight nudge of the elbow with your finger in the NBA as a man shoots, etc. etc. etc.. The list is long fool. If it's not called: TOUGH ****.

    Greats have bent the rules as long as boxing has been around. You need to get a grip on reality.


    Say Floyd gets away with "illegal tactics," yet you can't point to jack as an example of where he has had points taken off. BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST. Keep crying fool, and enjoy your ban May 2nd.
     
  11. Cinderella Man

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    Yep, Pacquiao punches harder for sure. But his superior power won't help him out when he's unable to land it. You said you're a boxing coach, right? I shouldn't have to explain this to you.
     
  12. twofear

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    thats one tangibles that im talking about, what if pac left turns out to be much faster then floyd thought it would be and pac successfully land it at earlier rounds :good
     
  13. DonnyMo

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    PAC rips apart the high guard with his footwork..brings those combos from angles. And lol about mayweathers "great" jab... Where was that jab against c-level Maidana? Against Cotto his % was ****.

    And since when does floyd body punch? He doesn't throw the left hook to the body ever and it's a huge gamble to bring the straight right down there and potentially meet paca straight left as he stoops down there. He doesn't have the ***** to try.
     
  14. dangerousity

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    When has Pac ever failed to land his straight left? They'll both land their rights and lefts respectively but Pac's will plant a psychological impact in Floyds head more. Pac is expecting to get hit.

    As Tyson put it "Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth".
     
  15. dangerousity

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    Because the ref allows his blatant illegal tactics. Just like if Pac was to fight Floyd in the philippines and repeatedly low blowed Floyd and the ref allows it. That doesn't mean its right or its "tactical", its just plain illegal move being allowed to happen.

    Pac is a great fighter, but tell me what illegal moves it is he consistently does as Floyd does in the ring, in every fight? Afterall, you say all greats bend the rules. Same as JMM.