I saw several posts rank Usyk high on the P4P and I'm asking those people what do they think actually makes Usyk better than Canelo Pound for Pound. There's no doubt that Usyk is a very dangerous fighter that deserves to be in the P4P conversation, but I just couldn't believe how many people have thus guy ahead of Canelo on their P4P rankings. I'm asking what specifically makes Usyk a more well rounded higher level fighter than Canelo? I'm not hating on Usyk at all, he definitely is a force to be reckoned with, but when we're talking P4P typically you don't put bigger guys like Cruiserweights or Heavyweights above high level fighters at lower weight divisions who, you know, are more dynamic, more fluid punchers and what not. Lets just compare Usyk and Canelo for a moment. Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this as I haven't seen that many of his fights, but Usyk seems to me like he's just a very basic "stalker" type who jabs and sets you up for a straight. He's effective at what he does, but I just don't see how he can be put above Canelo who has shown an ability to adapt and be successful vs many different and many challenging styles of opponents. He showed in the first GGG fight the kind of footwork he possessess and I haven't seen that kind of footwork from Usyk. Canelo showed that he has plenty of punch variety and he's a more fluid boxer who can seamlessly put punches together. So I'm really just asking what is it that made so many posters believe that he is better P4P than Canelo?
He cleaned up a division in record time and dominantly against some serious fighters, no gifts or corruption, just a straight forward march through the entire division.. Canelo shouldn't be top 5 really
Please explain how Usyk is better P4P than Canelo. I genuinely want to know what it is that makes him better.
Let’s just start with the fact that Usyk doesn’t need paid off Judges and tainted meat to get W’s. Let’s see your boy venture overseas on a clean diet to beat GGG or Derevyanchenko. That’s the kind of stuff Usyk does. And Clenelo has better footwork??? Lol And again... This content is protected
OK but isn't P4P supposed to be about more than just accomplishments, judges decisions, etc? When we talk about who's better P4P, we're supposed to be comparing the skills of a fighter, how each fighter performs, what each fighter is able to do in that ring. If we're comparing Canelo and Usyk we really need to be looking at what each fighter does well and better than each other. So why don't we make a list. What does Canelo do better than Usyk and what does Usyk do better than Canelo?
Hold your horses. I don't want this topic to turn into another Canelo hate conspiracy topic. I'm genuinely asking Usyk fans and those that rate him high what is it that makes him that high and specifically what he does better than Canelo.
Well you apparently obviously are too invested in Usyk to have a real discussion about this. The purpose of this topic is to UNDERSTAND more about boxing specifically from those that rate Usyk. Hopefully I'll get some more serious responses.
1) Usyk has beaten all the best in his division, Canelo has not. 2) Usyk has never tested positive for PEDs, Canelo has. 3) Usyk has never needed dishonest judges to help him out like Canelo.
What I'm hoping here is to get some serious responses comparing the two fighters. I made it clear that I'm not hating on Usyk I'm just trying to understand why his fans or neutrals rate him higher on the P4P charts than Canelo. What makes Usyk better ? What makes Canelo better? I think there's a real discussion to be had here. And I don't think saying using "judging conspiracies / corruption claims" is a valid reason to put someone higher on a P4P list than someone else. Besides Usyk Briedis had the same exact scorecards (a MD) as Canelo GGG 2.
First of all, Usyk has been at Cruiserweight his entire career. Canelo only recently entered the Middleweight division and he did so by fighting and beating the Best Middleweight in the World. Canelo fought most of his career at Welterweight / Light Middle. Second, wouldn't you say that there's more talent (P4P) at Middleweight than at Cruiserweight? Canelo did fight and beat the best fighters when he was 154. OK if this is your reason for putting Usyk ahead of Canelo then you're making my point for me. You use judges decisions to determine who is better P4P? Isn't it more about comparing skills and performances? And what about the Briedis decision? How close did you think that was and do you consider GGG to be a better / more challenging opponent than Briedis?