How is Usyk better than Canelo P4P?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by shadow111, Nov 11, 2018.


  1. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

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    Me and everybody else here.

    Y'know I looked at my post and I see no mention of GGG at all in it. Sounds like Gena and Abel have a furnished apartment, rent free, right in your head.

    I just proved that Usyk is flat-out busier than Canelo against a great opponent than Canelo was against a mediocre weight drained opponent. :) Let's reiterate: not busier in a P4P sense, where you have to look at the typical output of a cruiser and compare Usyk to that (since cruisers will be less busy than middles) but FLAT OUT BUSIER. He's a machine compared to Canelo.

    Fair enough. Call us when Canelo cleans out MW and rules with an iron fist.

    Upper body movement doesnt win fights. Landing punches wins fights.

    That's not his game. Canelo can't read an opponent like Usyk and neither can he use angles like Usyk.

    Correct.

    But.

    We are comparing them in a P4P sense. P4P Usyk is just as fast against cruisers as Canelo is against middles.
     
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  2. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Try 155. Angulo, Lara, and Kirkland fights came at MW. Who Saul DID beat at 154 who was worth a damn is:
    Austin trout and Liam Smith

    Do some friggin research...
     
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  3. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Simply put: Usyk > Canelo
     
  4. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Shadow11 clearly only watches ONE boxer....
     
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  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "When he was at 154" meaning up until the Smith fight. He fought and beat the best 154 lbers. Before he fought Trout he had a lot of title defenses at 154.
     
  6. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Shadow, his fights w/ Angulo. Lara, and Kirkland were at 155. That is NOT JrMW.

    Remind me who he did he beat at 154 that YOU think are worthy.

    Matthew Hatton?
    Balodmir?
    Shane Mosley?
    Or was it the great Kermit Cintron?
     
  7. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Runs to boxrec.... :lol:
     
  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why are you so nerdy? Angulo, Lara, and Kirkland were 154-lb fighters. Yes they were at 1 lb over the limit, but that doesn't make them Middleweights. He fought and beat a lot of good fighters before he fought Trout. Just go through the names.
     
  9. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    what was the weight limit for Canelo's first world MW title win?
     
  10. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know the names Shadow. That's what happens when you watch boxing. I was asking YOU who you think were worthy at 154, aside from Trout or L Smith.

    Do you know how weight classes work? So yes, it made them middleweight fights whether you cry all day or not.
     
  11. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    153+1/2 Cotto
    155 lb Canelo

    According to @shadow111 , this was a jrMw fight
     
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  12. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Pointless trying to argue with you.

    Explain how this statement is true:
    "if GGG is past him prime, then that's even more reason to accept a close Canelo decision win". It is completely illogical. GGG won 2 fights on my cards and his age has nothing to do with the decision.

    You didn't even address the counter punching. You just asked me if I am blind. No, I am not. Watch any of Usyk's fights and see how he counters. He is an Olympic Champion with amateur pedigree. Of course he can counter punch and I doubt Canelo counter punchers better. Just make an argument.
     
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  13. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Capt thousand words suddenly has nothing to say?
     
  14. iamtheman

    iamtheman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He's not. CW is relatively ass but the people on the forum riding eastern euro ***** would have you believe it's the hottest division around.
     
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  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm well aware of where the division limits are lol. I see you're trying real hard to twist my words acting like I don't know that. That's pretty funny, but anyway the point stands : Canelo fought and beat the best 154lbers when he was a Jr Middleweight. When Canelo fought Cotto, the fight was at "Middleweight" but Cotto weighed in as a Jr Middleweight. Most fans never considered Cotto a real Middleweight. When he held the MW title, he was generally considered a blown up 154-lber or even a blown up welter. Then he returned to 154 after he lost to Canelo.

    Do you consider Khan a Middleweight since he fougth Canelo at 155? What about Kell Brook : do you consider him a Middleweight? Of course not, even though he fought GGG at the full limit. That was one fight. To be considered a full fledged Middleweight you really need to campaign at that division. For one fight those guys were technically Middleweights, but then they dropped back down and returned to their normal division. Lara, while he fought Canelo 1 lb over the limit, is known as a 154-lber.

    He beat the best 154-lbers when he was fighting at (or near) that weight. The fact that a few of those matchups happened 1 lb over doesn't change that. I can't believe I have to spell this out for you but apparently you are not grasping the concept too well.