How is Usyk better than Canelo P4P?

This thread is hilarious, there's one person who's arguing with the whole forum lol














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Usyk > Canelo

 

Exactly. And that individual is trying to paint everybody else as being the crazy ones Little does he know that you're ALL my alts!

... I probably shouldn't feed his delusions

 

Let me know when Usyk gets every A side advantage and an entire athletic commission working for him and still has to get bailed out via corruption, TWICE! I'll wait.......................

 

Economy of movement and energy conservation is actually part of boxing skills, or general athletic skills for athletes in general. This means, an athlete / a boxer who can be most effective whilst using the least amount of energy, is the more skilled athlete / boxer due to more economical movement and better energy conservation.

So yes, Usyk's more economical movement and better energy conservation does push him ahead of Canelo pound for pound.

Truly skilled head movement shouldn't really waste much energy. Hence, if Canelo was really as skilled as you claim he is, his head movement and movement in general, wouldn't lead to much wasted energy. The fact that it does, actually proves his skills are a little lacking.

If you want to see proper skilled and economical head movement, then watch Vasyl Lomachenko. Far superior to Canelo Alvarez. Lomachenko moves his head a lot, but never gets tired the way Canelo does. Why? Simply because, his movement is more skilled and economical.

Whatever the case may be. Usyk is generally the more active and busier fighter. This isn't really up for debate. Since he throws far more punches per fight, then Canelo does. He also throws more feints, moves around more and etc.

Do you realize that bouncing on your toes for 12 rounds, and constantly having to move in and out, requires a lot energy, and / or very economical movement? Which is something Usyk has shown to do in many of his fights, without ever looking more tired than his opponent after his bouts.

I'd like to know how you came to the conclusion that the way Canelo fights, or the way he moves his body / head, uses up more energy than how Oleksandr Usyk fights, in terms of how Usyk constantly bounces on his toes, uses in-out footwork and throws far more punches? Since, I can't see how Canelo's movement requires more energy to work. Maybe Canelo is just not that skilled, hence a lot of wasted energy and therefore more fatigue?

It's good that we both agree on Usyk having better stamina and Usyk being a better feinter, compared to Canelo Alvarez.

Canelo Alvarez did feint against Floyd Mayweather Jr. However, he used very basic feints. I'm referring to higher level feints, which involves using pretty much the entire body to feint an opponent out of position. Such as the head, feet, shoulders, hands and etc. This is something Canelo simply hasn't shown that he has in his repertoire like Usyk and Lomachenko do.

And where I disagree with you is, when you stated that feints favor boxers who use straight punches. That's simply not true at all. Go ahead and watch Lomachenko fights. Even against taller and rangier opponents (as is usually the case), he has shown he can use feints to get into range which allows him to get off his combination punching, including hooks and uppercuts. Even the finishing knockout blow he landed on Linares, was based on a feint. The purpose of feinting is to get an opponent out of position so a opening is created.

Lomachenko and Usyk feint with their entire body. This involves step in feints, step out feints, head feints and etc. Canelo Alvarez hasn't shown that much variety in his feints. And understandably so, since he is predominantly a counter puncher as that's his main style. Which is why Canelo isn't as good at leading and at setting up his own offence. Usyk and Lomachenko are both a lot better at setting up their own offence and at creating their own openings, without having to wait for their opponents to take the lead.

As for punch variety, as I've already stated, both guys can throw EVERY punch in the book well. Be it jabs, rear hand straights / crosses, hooks, uppercuts, overhand shots, body shots and etc.

I did concede that Canelo Alvarez is the far superior inside fighter. This means, Canelo's punch variation on the inside is superior. This means, Canelo's combination punching and short punches such as hooks and uppercuts on the inside are superior.

However, Usyk's punch variation and combination punching on the outside is superior. Particularly with straight punches such as the 1-2. Usyk's punch variation is also superior at mid-range because of his superior footwork, much like Pacquiao and Lomachenko, that allows him to create angles and openings with sidesteps and pivots, to land a greater variety of punches from different angles. This is something I've not seen from Canelo Alvarez because he lacks the footwork, specifically angular footwork, pivots and sidesteps that the likes of Usyk, Lomachenko and Pacquiao possess.

But yes, Canelo Alvarez is arguably the best inside fighter today in the sport of boxing. Only Lomachenko and probably Povetkin match him.

 

I didn't twist a thing child. You claimed Canelo's 155 fights were essentially jrMw fights. How's that different than the title fight w/ Cotto?

Again, I asked you WHICH JrMw he beat that were worth a damn, in your opinion. Are you going to even try to answer that?

It doesn't matter what I consider Khan, they fought at MW, 155.

 

Completly agree bang on assesment, its just ashame that canelo is tainted now, his career clouded in ped scandal.
But tbf to Usyk show me another fighter right now who has constantly pushed on fight by fight, no byes so far no easy road.
I really dont like his style either, but his footwork and guaging distance is ridiculas for a guy with eyes like that.

 

I think the point being making relates to this post you made....

'Yes they were at 1 lb over the limit, but that doesn't make them Middleweights.'.... well it did for Cotto vs Canelo and also for Khan vs Canleo. All three fighters involved had to make 155 before fighting for the middleweight title, the same weight he fought those you named as JMW scalps.

One thing is for sure, Canelo has an unrivalled record at 155...

 

A Canelo fan arguing against Canelo haters. Nothing to see here.

 

Not yet. Canelo has proven how good he is for longer.

 

Welcome to boxing noob. This is why P4P lists are meaningless, virtually everyone uses a different, or applied differently, criteria.

 

@shadow111 won't even try to give his list of who he thinks Canelo defeated at JrMw that was highly touted. I gave him Trout, and to a lesser extent, Liam Smith.

He probably thinks Baldomir and Shane at 154 were great wins!

 

lol Well said!

 

It's clearly one of the strongest divisions in boxing. Any unbiased, knowledgeable boxing fan knows that. Full of big punching beasts, the first series of WBSS at Cruiserweight was absolutely brilliant because of how strong the line up was.