More exposing of your ignorance I see... Hate to tell you this, but what happens in other fights don't mean anything in regards to anything, but their fight itself. Means **** all.... I'm sure you think you make great points , but your Dunning-kruger style of education says otherwise....
See what you agreed on : as a result of comparing attributes and what makes RJJ better than FMJ. The punching power. There's a clear difference between Prime RJJ and Prime FMJ. That's what I'm looking for between Canelo and Usyk. Clear differences that makes one better than the other P4P. Punching power between Canelo and Usyk is much more debatable, since both guys clearly possess power. But punching explosiveness particularly with hooks and uppercuts, and how he gets leverage on shots you have to give the edge to Canelo. Usyk just isn't on that level. Can Usyk punch hard : absolutely. His straight right hand can be devastating but he's not the overall dynamic power puncher of a Canelo. A Clear difference that makes him better P4P.
I didn't agree...I was being sarcastic. P4P was never about punching power child, nor a field of criteria in ANY I've ever encountered.
It's not only about punching power. It's one of many attributes that you use to deternine who is better P4P. But when fighters are even in other areas if one fighter is a big power puncher and the other isn't that's big. If two fighters are even in power punching but one fighter has poor defense or has a suspect chin, then that can separate a fighter P4P. (Isn't that why Khan isn't rated P4P) So you have to go through all the attributes : speed power punching, defense, chin, explosiveness etc etc and look for areas where one fighter has clear advantages. You do that by watching fighters through film study not by reading through names on a resume.
No one has EVER used punching power as any type of criteria. Seriously, do you ONLY watch Canelo fight twice a year? Because that explains everything about your huge lack of knowledge, which you are putting on display.
Punching power is very related to KO % which fans cite all the time. You're really struggling with the "how". My "huge lack of boxing knowledge"? I've been on this site for much longer than you. I've displayed far more boxing knowledge then you. I mean just look at what you're talking about vs what I'm talking about, It's no comparison. I'm talking boxing at a much higher level than you.
OMG.... Fans can cite KO % all they want. What YOU take from that and how YOU process is all on you kid. We know what you are talking about, so called punching power and it's necessity to be some critera for P4P because you want it to be. You think this puts you on a higher level? NOT being able to grasp the fact that KO power has never been any type of requirement for P4p conversations. You've concluded that it MUST, so you can use that to try and 'up' Canelo more than Usyk. So you are just inventing criteria to use. And you don't get that, and probably never will, since you clearly refuse to learn anything. So now you are forgetful too? This isn't my original account. I've been posting here since you were still wondering what that hair between your legs is kid.
It's quite simple really...Canelo's waves in the boxing universum are just not as impressive as the ones Usyk has been making. Both are excellent fighters and both have faced excellent opposition and come out on top. The difference is one has done it emphatically across the board and the other is the subject of ongoing debate whether or not he won or lost his two most defining fights up to now, let alone the ped controversy. It doesn't matter whether you argue that the home advantage that was continouosly stacked against Usyk has no play...reality is what it is...he ventured into the lion's den time after time to take home the (non-controversial) victories. And that's where he beats your boy Canelo.
That's not what makes a fighter better than another. It's clear that you want to talk about anything other than their ability, or how they fight and what they can do in a ring. Canelo has made much bigger waves in the sport than Usyk and it's not even close. Having close fights and fighting a higher level of opponent go hand and hand. Do you want to compare talent at Middleweight vs Cruiserweight?
Whats the point in arguing boxing skills with you? This post by you says it all... Who can argue with that? You've clearly made your mind up already at the start of your thread. Whats the point in trying to convince you of anything really, when its abundantly clear you're an absolute Canelo fan that accepts nothing less than full devotion to your man...? Right now, I rate Usyk higher as P4P then Canelo, simply because there is no dark cloud over his wins, unlike Canelo.
They're close, I don't rank Roy that far below Floyd, but... since he does have more losses, that's a reality, so I count them. Because you know, I like to consider their entire career when ranking them, not just their glory days. This is a dumb pointless argument you're making. But.. but.. but... who cares. I don't give a **** about punching power when ranking fighters, if that were the case then my Top 10 would be Beterbiev, Wilder, Gassiev, Joe Smith Jr. etc. Julian Jackson would be a Top 10 ATG, but he's not, because he got KTFO like 6 times. KO ability has zero bearing on how I rank people, only accomplishments. Who was better in their primes? Floyd. Why? Because his skill level was superior, he didn't rely almost purely on his athleticism and reflexes, like Roy did, and when Roy got old, there went a lot of his defense. Whereas Floyd actually focused on the sweet science and learned every trick in the trade to avoid being hit clean, so he could use them when he got a little older. Roy had less of those fundamentals to fall back on, leaving him more vulnerable than old ass Floyd. Floyd was always the better boxer, RJJ was overall the better pure athlete. When looking at P4P, I look at the the fighter as a whole, not two versions. Floyd was more complete, Roy was more exciting, but like I said, I don't give people a ton of brownie points because they're exciting and you never know what's going to happen. If they have the overall record to back it up, I do, and since Roy has a damn good record, I do give him the credit, but Floyd's is just a little better, so I rank him above, its very simple. I ignore punching power, which is kind of why I have Joe Calzaghe ranked right alongside them. The Vinny Paz issue has already been dealt with, and I already answered this above. You clearly have NOT watched enough Usyk to know what kind of a fighter he is, I suggest you do so, because you sound like a raving loon who doesn't know **** about boxing when talking about him. Of course Khan did, since he knew he was risking his life fighting a guy 2 weight divisions higher so his primary focus was to protect his glass jaw, and was being brought in as a sacrificial lamb stay busy fight and an easy paycheck. wouldn't you? Khan is a natural 135/140 pounder, he looks doughy at 147, trust me, he was never drained making the weight, so he didn't have more energy. As far as the Algieri point, maybe Khan didn't take that fight seriously, but after he nearly got dropped by Chris early in the first round, don't you think he could have made the adequate adjustments somewhere in the next 12 rounds? He never did, the fight was very competitive from start to finish, it could be argued Chris did enough to get a draw or even a close win. I've seen every Canelo fight since his match against Jose Miguel Cotto on the undercard of Floyd/Mosley. So that's 21 times I've seen Canelo live, then add in at least 10 of his old matches from Mexico I watched on YT, that's probably around 30, nice try though. There's guys who use the first few rounds to work their opponents out, like Usyk and Lomahenko, even Floyd does that. Canelo gets outboxed, and sometimes never makes the proper adjustments, if you say he made them against Khan, no, he just landed a punch, it was bound to happen. That's all it would take. He's not working his opponents out, what he does is struggle. Bellew took power shots off of Adonis Stevenson for 6 rounds before going down, I hope you're not somehow comparing Khan's chin to Bellew's are you? What the **** is wrong with you? Also Tony is a natural Cruiser who'd just fought at Heavyweight and KO'd Haye twice. In terms of Canelo-Khan and chins go, a more apt comparison would be if Usyk drug Nadjib Mohammedi up from Super Middleweight and did his thing. Usyk has better footwork, because it is. Usyk has better punch selection, because it is. Usyk has better stamina, because he does. Usyk has better power, because he does. Usyk has a better jab, because he does. Usyk throws better combinations, because he does. Usyk has better defense, because he does. Usyk controls range better, because he does. Usyk has a higher ring IQ, because he does. If you actually watched Usyk, you wouldn't need me to explain this to you. Maybe if you did, you'd realize just how versatile a fighter Usyk really is, he literally can adjust his style per opponent, and beat them at their own game, the first time around, kind of like what Canelo attempted to do to GGG, the second time around after failing to legit beat him the first time, well... Canelo failed in his second attempt as well. Because Canelo just ain't that versatile got it?
Comparing Canelo vs GGG to anything Usyk has done to date is not like for like. Canelo was giving up a huge size advantage moving up to face GGG. P4P is about size after all. h2h wins against bigger fighters count for double or even triple Usyk would have to have a couple of closely fought battles and scrap a draw and win vs AJ, Wilder or Fury to be comparable
Canelo was the middleweight champ at one point, how did he move up in weight? Hell, Canelo has fought at a higher weight than ggg has.
He fought a corpse @ 164, apart from that he had zero fights @ 160. Ffs zero fights @ 160 Canelo is as natural a 154lber as they come. Put him next to GGG, Hurd and Jermall and he looks like a welterweight