Let's put it this way...if the Lara fight was in Cuba, and the GGG fights were in Kazakhstan, would Canelo be 2-0-1 against them? Might sound unfair to hold him to that standard, but that's exactly what Usyk does. He takes out champions and world caliber guys in their back yards, which is way more of a challenge. Canelo is great, but Usyk is better.
Out of all the arguments as to why Usyk is better, this argument makes the least sense. You even say it sounds unfair and it is, it's absurd to argue that Usyk is better P4P because of where his fights were. Mayweather was the P4P king for nearly a decade, and the entire time he only fought in Vegas. By your criteria Mayweather should never have been P4P because he didn't fight overseas in other fighter's backyard. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds lol.
In his last two and arguably biggest fights... your little **** hero needed tainted meat and the help of judges to get a draw and W over an aging champion. 70-75% feel GGG won This content is protected This content is protected
You mean you and 70% of your Alts, epic beard man, ***** man, and goofy goof troop, toad? Sowwey but you Dksab!!! That's already sunk in more than your epic hairline, goofy Todd!
If you really seen what that goofy guy looks like, you'd die laughing at just how tough he acts on here... Shes the type of guy that would run from a fight in a jippee
You spout another War & Pece sized post toi ask that question ?? Easy answer ..... Usyk does not need the State Commissioner the NSAC, & Vegas boxing officials covering his ass to get him o where he is. Usyk just uses his boxing skills to win fights He fights FAIR Usyk >>>>>> Moonelo
Alvarez' notable wins: Titleholder Result Age Gennady Golovkin WBC/WBA MD* 36 Gennady Golovkin WBC/WBA/IBF SD** 35 Miguel Cotto UD 35 Liam Smith KO 28 * Result questionable ** Result highly questionable --> two gift decisions against slightly overaged champion Usyk's notable wins: Titleholder Result Age Tony Bellew TKO 35 Murat Gassiev WBA/IBF UD 24 Mairis Briedis WBC MD 33 Marco Huck TKO 32 Krzysztof Glowacki UD 30 --> two clear wins vs. champions in their prime Usyk's resume looks better to me
I can accept this for the most part, but I would just add that stamina is related to the kind of punches you are throwing. A lot of people thought that Canelo had stamina problems vs GGG particularly in the first fight, but there's a major 'stamina' difference between Canelo so-called "gassing" in the first GGG fight vs how Bellew "gassed" vs Usyk. Vs GGG Canelo never became so fatigued that it affected his legs or his movement. Whereas Bellew just became exhausted which led to the KO. So there's a real difference there. What Canelo did in the middle rounds in the first GGG fight was pace himself by lowering his output and using his boxing skill. I don't have a real problem with you giving Usyk the nod in the stamina department as I don't think he's shown himself to fatigue, but I do think that Canelo's stamina problems have been greatly exaggerated particularly vs GGG. I mean vs Chavez Jr Canelo didn't appear to have any stamina problems at all. He stood in the corner between rounds for the entire fight. That's evidence of Canelo having an incredibly high level of stamina. Both fighters really have great stamina, and given that I don't think this is a category that really pushes Usyk ahead in the P4P department. Each fighter has a very different style, and the way Canelo fights particularly in his two fights vs GGG require a lot more energy than how Usyk fights, which is generally to work behind the jab and set up the straight. Canelo uses upper body movement, and due to his body type and posture needs to perform more skilled blocking to not get hit flush. Usyk in effect is hard to hit just based on his hunched over body type, that's not really his style or skills. The way Canelo makes people miss with upper body movement, counter punching etc uses more energy than Usyk who is able to avoid damage just by standing there. So while Canelo has shown minor signs of fatigue, he's also working harder than Usyk and that needs to be taken into account. As far as feinting, I guess you didn't see the Mayweather fight where Canelo was feinting Floyd out of his mind and it was working. Now it's been noted that Canelo didn't often follow up and take advantage of many of those feints, as he was fighting very cautious vs Floyd. Canelo is very skilled at feinting though generally he hasn't used it that often outside of the Mayweather fight. Usyk may have used feinting more and to greater effect than Canelo has per fight so in terms of that I can understand you giving Usyk the nod in this department. But how often one's feints is more of a tactical choice. I do think Usyk's style is better suited to feinting as he's rangier and throws a lot of straight punches and when you get somebody to flinch generally you are right there for a straight more so than a hook or an upper. So with that said, I think it's fair to say that Usyk's feinting is more effective than Canelo's feinting based on what we've seen but Canelo has certainly showcased his ability to feint quite well particularly against Mayweather. I just think that when you can feint Mayweather and get him to flinch that many times (and this was 5 years ago a much younger version of Canelo) you need to be respected as a high level feinter. This is an interesting point you are making and I think it has merit. Though I think we're talking about two different things. I'm talking about punch variety in the sense of the repertoire of punches thrown. Canelo throws more hooks, uppercuts and body shots than Usyk and he mixes them up well. You're saying that Usyk varies the speed of his punches to keep his opponent off balance and that sounds like something that's unique to Usyk and something he does better than Canelo. This is a good observation from you and I will keep this in mind when studying some of Usyk's footage. Canelo has better punch variety in terms of how often he throws hooks, uppers, and body shots. But Usyk adjusting the speed and power of his punches, well that's something that Canelo doesn't do as visibly which an example of Usyk having a high ring IQ so point taken. But still in terms of punch variety and putting punches together seamlessly, Canelo has Usyk beat in that department by a mile. This is one area that Canelo truly is exceptional at and no one can really equal him at. Yeah this is a good breakdown. You've given me some things to consider that Usyk does which makes him unique, that I will take a closer look at. Both definitely have their strengths and weakenesses but Usyk just seems more basic to me. But that's not to say you can't make an argument for him P4P, and really both guys are high level operators so on some of these comparisons (like stamina, feinting) we'll be splitting hairs due to how they fight and how hard they work on average and much energy they expend and what not. You've posted a lot of additional content that I may revisit.
P4P is about your skills as a boxer, it's not about judges or politics or state commissions or BS like that. It's about putting all that crap aside and looking at the fighter himself and comparing what he does well and how he performs to other fighters.
Lol! That pic isn’t me tubby. But Your pathetic picture is hands down THE MOST laughed at photo of anyone here. That thing has been laughed at by soooo many people on here. There you are thinking you’re cool with your geeky try hard tough guy pose with that fat round dumb looking face. Your other pics are hilarious too. Lol! “SAWWWEY” “Cut it out Green Pants! Seriously that’s enough!” Anyway stick to baxxing which you really don’t know crap about but maybe you can learn a little. here’s a video for ya! Lopez is a good trainer and seems like a respectable guy! And there are hundreds of more videos from respectable people in the sport that feel GGG won This content is protected
EXACTAMUNDO!!! Shad Youre learimg at last Usyk is superior to Moonelo becarse he used his skills & expertise Moonelo had to rely on corruption ^& cheating