How Joe Louis could have lost to Primo Carnera

Excellent post but don't expect a whole lot of support for that claim :good! Haye was actually landing to the body when he threw body shots (mostly the jab). But it was usually followed by him posturing and moving his head like a chicken for the rest of the round.

 

Louis also had something else that Haye lack, massive power. Haye is a hitter, but not on the level of Louis imo.

 

Combination punching too.

 

could not agree more.

However, haye was limited with what he could do because he has not got the engine to put enough presure on that a smaller fighter would normaly need to be sucsesful against a giant. He has never been a combination puncher. He is quick on the draw but it has always been one shot at a time.

he went with what worked for him but it was putting all his eggs in one basket. just a gamble, worth a try but nothing to fall back on if it did not work.

 

Great post Janitor.

Both have speed-based power, which is why Louis became a lot less powerful when he became slower in his later years. He was still an effective puncher, because he still had technique.

Also, re body attacking, there is a difference between "body punching" and "working the body". A jab to the bell is a body punch, but it's not a serious tactic for working the body. Real working the body is an art of punch placement, foot positioning and leverage. Haye can punch to the body, but he's never learnt how to work the body.

 

The biggest difference between Carnera and Klitschko is assets. Similar boxers, totally different athletes, respectfully. Klitschko, to my view, clearly had faster hands and feet, and a bigger punch.

Joe Louis would always do what he needed to do, including walk to a puncher trusting his toughness and chin should his defensive skills fail. I think this is an underrated part of Louis' greatness.

Haye didn't show this quality. His speed and skills presented a challenge for Wlad, but Haye could never hope to win without, for even just moments, going on the attack and really putting it on the fire, and in my view, he feared the punches he may get hit with in return when he tried.

Joe Louis wouldn't have cared, and we'd have had a fight. Haye, I don't think, has the confidence in himself fighting that gameplan against that type of opponent, and couldn't do what Joe could do, despite his speed and whack.

 

This is not something most people understand, and I praise that you do. Unless it catchs the proper point at the proper moment, a body punch does no real damage, adding to your point about placement. If you cant nick the liver or drive the ribs, you need consistent, rather steady, body punching to sap on opponent.

A couple jabs and a right hand or two to that slats a round is going to have no substantial effect. Either you need those digs to be properly placed and delivered, or you need to triple the amount.

 

Carnera =Tyson Fury, Haye would beat Tyson Fury

 

Haye has lesser punching power then Luis, by the far. I doubt even that he would be a focused Carnera, that was a littler slower and less powerful than K but surely much better boxer then Valuev.

 

How supposedly astute observers of the sport miss this baffles me.

Also, I don't remember seeing Carnera hook off the jab or land the right hand with the accuracy of Waldo.

 

Good post. :good

Wlad is vastly superior to Carnera, but i agree with the jist of your post.

 

Ironically, the posturing and moving his head like a chicken was a skill set Joe Louis never mastered.

Nor did he ever learn how to properly flop on the ground like a little ***** every time Carnera got near him.

If he had these techniques in his bag of tricks, Joe Louis might well have lost to Carnera.

 

Wlad rarely hooks off the jab these days.