How Joe Louis could have lost to Primo Carnera

So how did Louis almost lose to Carnera? I think Carnera was a better boxer than given credit for but you didn't explane how he almost beat Louis who made the adjustments and had a plan that worked. Even though I think Carnera skills are underrated, there not as good as Wald's are.

 

Sorry Janitor this is revisionist tosh.
Louis, in his auto biography said."I got in some hard punches in round one,he just moved around and flicked out a jab.The first thing that shocked Carnera and the audience was that instead of him handling me like a baby ,I handled him .They were looking at his size and not his talent. I moved him around easily. "
The fight moved along smoothly for me.I remember in the fight round we clinched,and I picked him off his feet.
That's when he spoke to me ,the only time in the fight.
he said," Oh,Oh Oh,""his eyes bulged out in surprise.Then he said,"I should be doing this to you" ." I was just as surprised as he was at the ease with which I moved him around.Carnera had nothing.he couldn't punch but he hada pretty decent jab . He pushed with his right and he was awkward.Mostly he tried to scare me with his weight".
" He never hurt me once".
The difference between Wlad and Primo is basic,and essential ,Wlad has genuine ko power, Primo did not possess it.
Louis could afford to walk straight into Carnera because there was no danger of any heavystuff coming back, he could not be so carefree against Wlad [,though I think he beats him ,]because there is allways a chance he gets caught and clobbered.
" Carnera had nothing" is a pretty damning statement,imo, Carnera was 28 years old and, had been Champion just a year earlier , given the ease with which Louis wrecked him people are entilted to wonder how he ever managed it imo.
Haye did not possess the know how to circumvent Wlads jab, by drawing the lead and countering ,he drew the lead allright but settled for wild swings ,in the hope one would connect.He should have rolled his way in like Dempsey ,coming under neath, letting go with bombs and getting out again, but in the end he lacked the know how and probably the will, in short he was not to prepared to gamble, and settled for survival ,and the hope that one of his swings would some how land.
Haye would walk around Carnera and hit him as and when he liked, it would be a butchery, an emphatic version of Haye v Valuev.

 

HUH? From a speed and power standpoint Haye is much greater than Carnera. Haye's mobility is greater than Carnera's, and without going overbaord so is his defense.

But when Haye is matched vs. anyone who can punch back hard, he goes into turtle mode. Haye might find Louis an easy target early. In fact he has a puncher's chance to create something dramtic, but as soon as Louis lands a hard shot or two, Haye would go into survival mode. Primo, unlike Haye has a lot of heart.

Louis could not afford to wait around vs. Wlad.

 

Occasionally when he's feeling full of himself he does and does so very well. But he rarely throws the nice uppercut he had pre-Manny.

Manny has just created a safety-first robot. Very effective, but not so entertaining.

In a lot of ways he reminds me of Jeffries back in the day, a guy who seemed to have all tools and natural gifts but just waited out his foes and didn't take excessive risks. And there was some dissension from the press regarding Big Jeff's tactics, also.

 

I noticed that as well.. in fact, in some recent fights, he rarely hooks at all (i.e. Chagaev & Haye). The hook off the jab used to be his best weapon between 1999-2007, he's since abandoned it somewhat. I should write Stewart a letter. :yep

Offensively, Wlad is declining slowly but steadily.

 

Thanks I understand now. I guess I found your thread tittle is missleading.

 

Oh C'mon, Primo would have a lot of chance against Haye

 

Haye is a frightened little rabbit in front of large heavies.

 

I have not seen Sharkey vs. Carnera in years, but I do think Sharkey was a tad intimidated by Carnera's size.

 

The only way Joe Louis loses to Primo Carnera is by mob rule. A bullet or a bat.

 

Louis could not afford to wait around for Wlad? Has the man suddenly turned into a bloodthirsty bull out of the gates Tyson?

 

Lasky had 15 fights against nobodies when he faced the 67 fight Carnera .