How long before Ali recedes to being a #2 or #3 heavyweight, except for boxing hipsters?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    I just took the **** out of this.

    "The only good thing is that hopefully Marciano can stop be the whipping boy of casual Boxing fans".
     
  2. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Which will provide the final trump card for Ali fans in the dark days ahead. If none of the filmed versions of Ali could win a hypothetical matchup, the extrapolated 1969 version will be deployed.
     
  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    "Ali? Isn't he the guy who only won the title because the Mafia paid Sonny Liston to lose twice? And then lost to a swarming guy who could train down to lightheavyweight today? Boxing was pretty sketchy back then. Come to think of it, Foreman says he was poisoned..."
     
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  4. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Isn't the '70's considered stronger though?

    Being the best of the best while past your best is really hard to match.
     
  5. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    if.
     
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  6. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Was Ali in prison for those 3-4 years like Tyson was?
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Who is saying any of this? Seriously, you just making sh*t up.
     
  8. Wvboxer

    Wvboxer Active Member Full Member

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    I never thought I'd see people think of Michael Jordan as overrated but I hear that all the time. "He'd be average in the modern game. He didn't shoot threes. He didn't play anyone."
    I think each generation tends to pull for their guys.

    Ali has hung on longer than most. I think if there was a more dynamic heavyweight now you'd notice him sliding more. To go back to basketball, I love 80's & 90's NBA but have trouble seeing those teams beat modern teams even though I find current NBA kind of boring. Same with boxing. Guys are too big and too smart now. I have trouble seeing Ali beating today's giants even though he's my favorite.

    There is a huge Tyson following on YouTube! Nobody beats Tyson on YouTube. Lol!!
     
  9. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    ^One example of many. Theres also a famous troll named Jab Jab Jack on Marciano vids
     
  10. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    to be fair you should see the rubbish on youtube that occasionally gets puts up - though its not the majority. It is quite wierd what a few people think. People still argue vehemently against fossil evidence. I dont know what to say to people like this.
     
  11. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    "Yeah, but since heavyweights from the SUPER 90S ERA were vastly better than 70s fighters, Lewis's excellent record against Ring rated contenders from that period puts him way over the top compared to Ali struggling against the 70s crop. Ali lost to Norton and blown-up lightheavyweight Frazier in his late 20s / early 30s, when most modern heavyweights are just hitting their stride.

    Remember that Patterson is one of Ali's 10 best wins, and Joe Joyce would beat him in his pro debut."
     
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  12. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But many if not most people today would pick Vitali to beat Foreman in a actual fight. Hi size, stamina, chin seem like a perfect antidote to Foreman.
     
  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I was commenting on the people on this forum, the majority of whom are pretty well versed in the sport's history. No one would say any of the above regarding Marciano... outside of some here-and-gone alt profiles or trolls.

    I don't wallow the social media cesspool. I suggest to any and all to do the same.
     
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  14. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    A fascinating question. In the past when a fighter's core fans pass away, part of the legacy goes with them. This is especially true for the boxers with limited film.

    However, as those who were watching boxing in the 1960's pass on, and new fans with no real connection see him with fresh eyes, yes I believe Ali's standing will fall a bit.

    There is plenty of film on Ali.
     
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  15. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Interesting....not sure I agree, but could be an interesting thread...if it has not already been done?