How long before Mayweather vs. Pacquiao is no longer a super fight!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by iceferg, Nov 9, 2011.


  1. Zmora

    Zmora Sława!!! Full Member

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    I was actually more into this fight like 2 years ago...all this waiting and nonsense around it made it less exciting to me. Also those guys were younger, it was before Manny had those boring fights with Clottey, Mosley....definitely b4 JMM III. Now it's like they can loose their speed in a matter of months...not all of it but we would notice that.

    I'm afraid that this fight will eventually happen when both are past prime and only as big show but far from good boxing.

    Floyd by TKO
     
  2. IntentionalButt

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  3. No10Point

    No10Point Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How about NOW?

    No matter if the fight happens.
    Mayweather, win or loose, will have forever ducked Pac in his prime.

    Never a case of "if Mayweather has the talent to beat Pac"
    He just didnt have the courage to do it when it mattered.
     
  4. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Right so Mayweather didn't get hit by a LOT more flush shots than usual against both Judah and Ortiz. The Ortiz KO was bull **** and the fight had been 50/50 up to then imo, Mayweather was certainly at least made to work hard against a far inferior southpaw to Pac. Also if you look at Mayweather - Hatton, Hatton was able to give Mayweather a lot of trouble by forcing him back with his pressure and foot speed. Pacquiao has the foot speed of Hatton along with better angles, more power, better stamina, better chin and possibly slightly better hand speed too, so you should expect to see Mayweather have all of those same problems he had against Hatton (don't say he had none) + more.

    I was one of the only one to predict that Marquez would still give Pac hell, so I think am entitled to my opinion on this.
    If you look at some of Pac's most dominant wins against top opposition:
    slightly past it Barrea - Useless against southpaws, was a natural left hander who are known to suck against southpaws. still got robbed against Marquez not long after this.
    past it ODLH - Useless against southpaws, was a natural left hander who are known to suck against southpaws. Also had to cut a lot of weight which weakend him but still gave Mayweather a really tough fight less than a year eariler and dominated Forbes more than Berto could.
    slightly past it Hatton - Was kept away from southpaws his whole career, got dropped by Magee, hurt by Collazo but still gave Mayweather problems.
    Cotto - Hates pressure. Fights a lot like Mayweather but has more power and less speed and brains. Tottally class performance by Pacquiao, but again Cotto hates pressure.

    Now Marquez, is a naturaly great counter puncher who is very good against southpaws and doesn't fear a brawl as much as Mayweather does. That's why he will always give Pacquiao hell but against Mayweather who was faster than him, has longer reach and stays on the outside he was only able to win 3 rounds or so because he isn't used to pushing the fight. Marquez also came into the Pacquiao fight in better shape imo.
     
  5. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358086

    There's the thread where I said that Pac would have to still go through hell to beat Marquez. For the record, I would probably favour Mayweather to win by SD at this stage. Pacquiao is a still out of his prime now, Floyd is as well and has stalled this fight until now to make it more even imo.
     
  6. Ring Master

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    Your wrong on the bolded part.
     
  7. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No I'm not, I saw both fights. De La Hoya won almost every round against Forbes. Forbes gave Berto a competative fight.
     
  8. Ring Master

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    That was the fight for ODLH that showed he was washed up. He made Forbes go up to 154 and Oscar's face...Right eye I believe was ****ed up.

    Berto was just going through the motions. Forbes never touched Berto the way he did Oscar.
     
  9. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ortiz was down 3-0 at the time of the stoppage and at no point controlled the fight. Floyd was outlanding him, walking him down and making him fight at his pace.

    And cotto and floyd fight nothing alike
     
  10. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oscar fought Forbes only months after Mayweather at 150, his eye was blacked up but he still dominated. The main stumbling block for Orcar was that he had no right hand against Pac. And yes PBF and Cotto fight in a pretty similar way.