How long can Haymon realistically hold out?

Weird as i was late too it but i did read that Al Haymon was being sued for scalping tickets to the floyd/paul & pac/ugas fights among others, something so low & petty but not surprising with their history of shadiness,

Did he not lose a close to quarter Billion of others money when he started the PBC back in 2015 that's when everyone was getting payed huge amounts for undeserving low comp fights,

Either way i'm sure he will weld in someone else or few more, he like Arum are very shewed lawyers with all their connections etc

 

The issue with that is Haymon has promised these guys and has deals with them. The bigger name guys are the ones who give him power and control over divisions. I do think he is starting to make wiser choices. He’s looked at Wilders 70k buys vs Helenius at 37 years old and Gervontas steady 150-250k and decided to keep one and turn the other. He doesn’t have the ability of background funds now he’s blown through the cash to guarantee the fighters.

The biggest issue he had was not promoting. It was a good idea that allowed him to pick up fighters but he should have just picked out one promoter someone Like elleberbe who could have atleast sold the fights.

he now has a deal with showtime that have the viewers but no boxing budget and likely won’t be there in 12 months barring a miracle.

you are right he should scale back and work with a smaller roster he feels will build. The main thing he needs to do is find a new tv deal. And one with deep pockets. I’d be looking at approaching Warner bros to bring back HBO boxing or someone like Amazon. Literally move on the overpaid guys like Charlo etc and keep Spence, Gervonta and Ennis. Sign a bunch of upcoming heavyweights as everyone like watching that and Build around the others.
You are right in what you are saying but peoples ego and green doesn’t let them.

The other issue he has is PBC is not a promotional company and has no promotional contracts with these guys so it’s not even like he can sell the company and cash out. He needs to do what golden boy have done and put on solid shows that are stacked and get someone in to sell the fight and tell the story.

 

Canelo wont fight Spence. He wants Bivol and then maybe Beterbiev and/or Plant2/Benavidez. Canelo would get ridiculed for beating up lil Spence although I'd love it

 

By "desperate" are you implying that Bud should just let Spence dictate all the terms? If so, the problem lies with Haymon.

 

You make a great point about Haymon "starting the whole inactivity thing with his huge roster." Sadly, it did not have to be that way. Haymon should have "nutted up" and told his fighters that they would fight on stacked cards. That is, they would have to earn the right to be a headliner. Instead, everyone thinks they're the A-side. As a result, the Gary Russell Jr. inactivity schedule has become the norm rather than the exception. Stack the cards, let a star emerge organically, and the BIG money will come...for. all. involved.

 

He knocked out Carlos Ocampo...(sarcasm)

 

They will fight if the money is right.

 

They can't make any fights. Why sign up 200 plus fighters? There contracts are such BS if you sign with them you can't say anything bad about PBC in the media. What happened to free speech?

 

Economics determines Spence is the A side. If you want to be the A side as the B side fighter then your job is to fight the A side beat him then you have a chance to become the A side but this simpleton Bud does not understand this. He was never going to get 50;50

 

Canelo has a good recent track record of "fighting for legacy" so we'll see.

 

I understand A-side/B-side economics. However, I wouldn't classify Spence or any of Haymon's current fighters as an A-side practitioner. Besides, it's not like Bud is coming to the table without firmly established HOF credentials. It's really not rocket science. Haymon/Spence/Crawford should just figure out the financial sticking point. For instance, assume each fighter says "I want 65 %, no I want 65%." Simply have both fighters sign for a guaranteed 35% each, with the winner pocketing the remaining 30% for a 65/35 split.

This isn't happening because Haymon is as shady as the day is long and Bud's no fool.

 

Dude this needs to be pinned because you’re so right.. The whole fighting less and marinating thing has slowed down guys careers at a rapid rate.. Guys are fighting 2 times at most now and 1 or both would be fights no one asked for..

 

True,
But he is getting older, retirement score(s) could be on the horizon.

but like you say we see.

 

No it’s not equitable for Spence the proven more viable economic power house to shorten his money percentage for Bud. Don’t forget at 35-40% Bud is getting a career high payday minimum of at least $15 Million maybe up to $20 Million. For him not to sign indicates he does not want it. Simple as that.

 

I guess the fight won't happen while both fighters are undefeated.

Spence is not an A-side fighter in a fight with Bud. Rather, he benefits from Jerry Jones's willingness to host fight cards in AT&T Stadium. Spence "sells" because AT&T Stadium is a destination venue where tickets to a Spence fight are cheaper than to watch the Dallas Cowgirls play.

If Spence were from anywhere else, let's say Philly, he'd be an accomplished fighter complaining about anonymity in his hometown, ala an even more accomplished PBC fighter, Undisputed 122-lb Champion, Stephen Fulton.