How long do you think it would take Dubois to ruin Helenius?

Based on what? His fight Vs Lerena? He has done absolutely nothing so far in his career 1. To deserve a title shot or 2. To say he is the same or even close to the same level as Helenius.

 

the fact folk are saying Helenius is better shows how little they know how biased they are also for there sake I hope there biased and dont really think that lol

 

And beating Helenius at his late stage does exactly what to Dubois resume?

 

Dubois struggled to land on Joyce, landing on Usyk road is going to be 10x harder.

 

What did it do for AJ's?

It is just a theoretic comparison between two fights.

 

Usyk is more skilled than Beterbiev and Kov wasn`t in his prime.

 

Improves it.

 

Dubois would probably stop Helenius in 3-4 rounds but with the caveat that he could well get KO'd himself. Lerena was not a top cruiser by any means or a big puncher at that weight. With a little bit of killer instinct/will to win he would have likely stopped Dubois.

But while I fully expect Usyk to win I think Dubois is being undersold here at 16/1 for a KO/TKO/DQ win in the first 6. He's much bigger than Usyk, punches very hard, is a very dirty fighter and is 11 years younger at 25 (which has its downsides but age/wear has to catch up eventually, especially as a speed/engine based smaller fighter). Usyk also doesn't have the margin for error that elite SHW's have as we can see from the Chisora fight: while he won clearly on a neutral card he wasn't able to nullify Chisora due to being 3 stone lighter and not having HW power. And while a green Dubois quit against Joyce it was a close fight before the stoppage, with Dubois ahead on most cards after 7. Dubois outperformed Parker.

And speaking of Chisora, Dubois has hired his trainer. This implies that Dubois is going to be more aggressive than Joshua was in either fight and he must be hungrier than Joshua. His best chance is to turn this into a 6 round brawl and if it doesn't work, accept that he'll get stopped. He's already quit against Joyce and was all but KO'd by a 3rd rate cruiser so going out on his shield after a ferocious start against Usyk would raise his stock. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

Heavyweight history is littered with big upsets, so I'd be surprised but not shocked if Usyk lost here. Holyfield was much harder to one-punch KO than Lewis but his lack of size and power made him more vulnerable to being outpointed or overpowered, hence more losses.

 

Dubois' proneness to injury concerns me, the eye cost him and the leg nearly cost him. If Dubois delayed challenging Usyk any longer his body would probably fail him against a lesser opponent and there goes his opportunity for a world title, the time to strike is now I guess.

I can't see Usyk getting into a dogfight with Dubois, if he feels threatened by the power he'll just stick and move and probably catch Dubois late due to a lack of stamina for Dubois.

 

In reality nothing, but it would literally be the best name on his resume. Dubois has never actually beaten anyone decent, Warren has done a fantastic job to get him into a position of fighting Usyk for the titles because right now Dubois is very unproven, he's not even beaten a proven gate keeper.

 

I didn't know this, let's hope he's taught Dubois how to move his head and not step back from throwing with his hands down which is how Lerena dropped him the first time.

I agree we'll see Dubois most likely try and do what Chisora did and just put it on Usyk from the opening bell. If Dubois is to have any chance he has to show something different because the Dubois we've seen previously is levels below Usyk, even a 50% Usyk beats any version of Dubois I've seen.

 

Dubois-Lerena was shocking given that Dubois had taken plenty of heavy jabs from Joyce without becoming concussed. I wouldn't be betting on Usyk by stoppage within the first 3 or even 6 based on that. Of his relevant opponents he stopped Bellew the fastest and that was 8 rounds. He didn't drop or stop Chisora or Joshua across 36 rounds. He's always prepared to go the distance and that's his dominant strategy.

On past evidence Dubois is far inferior to Usyk but the shorter, less powerful and less athletic (relative to Dubois) Chisora was too and he still had considerably more success than most anticipated (granted Chisora had several advantages over Dubois). Plus Usyk isn't going to be quite as fast, well co-ordinated or as fit as he was in his previous fight (and moreso the one before that), likely less durable too. So I don't see this as a mere 6-7% chance that Dubois wins inside 6, which is the prevailing market price.