How long does Firpo last against a young Mike Tyson

Yeah I think this whole Tyson was not good at infighting has gotten overplayed and misconstrued. He may have preferred and excelled in a mid range distance, but it is almost as if some see him having no infighting skill at all. I think your Ferguson call shows Tyson quite adept at this range particularly to the body.

 

Tyson's infighting against Tubbs was shown to be very weak. Tyson barely threw any effective shots on the inside. Tubbs was more effective on the inside, but showed up grossly out of shape and didn't have the stamina to hold Tyson for very long, which was allowing Tyson to back up into his preferred range (mid-range). Whenever Tyson backed into mid-range he punched the stuffing out of Tubbs. If Tubbs had showed up in shape, which he rarely did and wasn't a cocaine fiend he most likely would've went the distance with Tyson, but unfortunately that wasn't the case.

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Dundee on Tubbs going into the Tyson fight.

"Tony can fight, but I don't think he's ever fully understood how good he really is," Dundee said. "He's never given boxing the 100% effort. Look at him--he moves well, he's got good hand speed, he knows how to use the ring, he takes a good shot . . . he should be really lickin' guys, but he doesn't.

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"If he makes up his mind he wants to be a fighter, he'll give Tyson some real problems."

Tubbs acknowledging that Tyson is a killer at midrange, but weak on the inside

"Right now, Tyson's the man. He's good, real good--he's strong and he's a hard hitter. But a lot of guys who've lost to him have made the mistake of getting caught up in his kind of fight, and I won't let him suck me up into his kind of fight."

"His kind of fight," Tubbs explained, is a slugfest at long or medium range."

"You might as well stand there and let him take swings at you with a baseball bat," he said. "I won't let him do that. I'm going to make him box. He's never faced a guy with my hand speed."

"I've got a good plan for Tyson, and when I get in there against him, I'm going to stick with it. See, (Larry) Holmes did what he wanted to do for two rounds. He got Mike inside, and Mike couldn't hurt him there. Then something came over Holmes. He looked to me like he thought he could knock Tyson out."

Odelle Hadley, who trained Tubbs mentioned how important it was for Tubbs to show up in excellent shape in order to carry out the game plan. Unfortunately Tubbs showed up fat like he did against Witherspoon.

"If Tony gets himself in good shape, better shape than Mike Tyson, he's got a chance," he said. "I'll say this now--if it goes past five rounds, Tony will beat Tyson. I've been with Tony seven years. I know Tony. And believe me, he has pride. Tony won't lay down for nobody."

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-02-24/sports/sp-11596_1_tony-tubbs

Jesse Ferguson wasn't strong enough to ever clinch Tyson long enough to make it an inside fight. It was mostly Ferguson laying on the ropes and Tyson swinging from mid-range until he connected. Ferguson also couldn't punch, which made him no threat when Tyson predictably kept backing up into mid-range. The few times Tyson was on the inside with Ferguson he barely threw any punches and wouldn't throw any punches of consequence until he got back to mid-range.

Tyson vs. Berbick

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I also didn't see much infighting from Tyson against Berbick either. Also, Berbick was on respiratory medication going into that fight and it showed by his poor performance.

Tyson and his camp also didn't have a high opinion on Berbick's ability and even referred to him as a tomato can, which he certainly looked like on the night he fought Tyson.

"Steve Lott and Tyson both saying Berbick was a tomato can Mike, what would Cus say abouth this guy Berbick?" he asked me.

He'd say that this guy was a tomato can," I answered. " A bum" - Mike Tyson Undisputed Truth and also from various articles from the time of the fight.


I chose Smith, Green, and Tillis because they were healthy, durable, and in shape when they fought Tyson and in all three fights Tyson showed himself to be very dangerous at the mid-range, but very ineffective and sometimes almost harmless when infighting.

 

Basically i don't understand your suggestion maybe you try to prove Firpo was better infighter than Tyson.
Really ? I can't follow your chaotic thoughts.
in shape ? I think Berbick was in better shape than Tillis against Tyson and his chin was better than Tillis'
questionable chin obviously he was more durable and Tyson destroyed a durable Berbick..
Berbick lost because Tyson destroyed him and i doubt this laughable health excuse influenced his loss.
(Seemingly every Tyson victim has some good excuse including some bums...)
Otherwise Berbick wasn't bum he was a reigning champion against Tyson after his best win (unbeaten Thomas).

You chose Smith and Green but they won only 1-1 round against Tyson this hardly proves Firpo's good chances . (Otherwise Smith was lucky because Lane didn't disqualify him and his unfair tactic didn't prove Bonecrusher's durability and Tyson's impotence.Smith's performance was nothing to do with the fair boxing.)
I can see big chance Green's chin was far better than Firpo's considering Firpo showed 0 durapility or chin against Dempsey and Green was significantly taller (6'5") and faster than Firpo.
Your Smith or Green examples don't work.

Tillis is another stupid example considering his style was based on Ali's and he has remarkable handspeed and skill compared to Firpo.(Basically Firpo couldn't punch well.) Tillis never showed better infighting skill than Tyson on their fight.
You cherry-picked the Green or Tillis fight when Tyson was only 19 years old green fighter.I hope you will not use the 3 years old Tyson for example next time.

Tubbs and his shape ? Show me an example when Tubbs was a ripped and muscular fighter and he was in
better shape than the prime Tyson !


I think Berbick,Tubbs,Smith,Green, or Tillis never were better infighters against Tyson maybe you have some eye problem.

Plus i strongly doubt the skinny 192.5 lbs (thin cruiserweight by modern standards) Dempsey was a stronger infighter and more powerful puncher than an about 220 pounds prime muscular well-trained Tyson.

 

Three days before the fight, after experiencing breathing problems, Berbick visited four doctors before he could get respiratory medication that would be approved by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Trevor_Berbick_vs._Mike_Tyson

Also, Berbick was in awful physical condition. Compare the in shape quick 215 Berbick that fought Holmes to the broken fighter Tyson fought. Berbick’s legs were completely shot in the Tyson fight, which is why I didn’t use him as an example. Tillis on the other hand showed up in excellent shape at 207 lbs when he fought Tyson and unlike Berbick he was healthy and it showed.

Also, saying that Smith and Green only won 1 round is laughable. Smith got robbed of a knockdown against Tyson and Tyson got away with blatant fouling and hitting after the bell. Smith easily won at least 4-5 rounds. Green also neutralized Tyson most of the fight.

Also, Tillis almost beats Tyson if not for the knockdown. Early on Tillis tried jabbing and beat Tyson from the outside, which doesn’t work on Tyson. However, once Tillis started forcing the fight on the inside and was hitting Tyson from all angles Tyson’s effectiveness went out the window. Smith also realized this in the last round. Douglas pretty much took away Tyson preferred range for most of the fight and easily beat Tyson. To Tyson’s credit he did knock Douglas down when Douglas got lazy and gave Tyson his preferred range.

Also, Dempsey wasn’t skinny or a cruiserweight. Dempsey trained down from 220-230 lbs to 190-200 out of preference, since it gave him an advantage. Dempsey could’ve easily fought at 205-210 lbs and still been in fighting condition, but pushed his body to the absolute limit. More weight and more muscle don’t give a fighter more infighting skills. Wlad is bigger and more muscular than either Tyson or Dempsey and can’t fight a lick on the inside.


As for Tubbs he was completely useless over 230 lbs. He was best at 220-225 lbs, but was still effective at 228-229 lbs. at 230 lbs he was slow and his stamina suffered, which showed in his fight with Tyson where he showed up at almost 240 lbs. I don’t give a squat how ripped a fighter is. What matters is what weight they are most effective and Tubbs clearly was never effective at 238 lbs (his weight for Tyson) and how healthy there are. Haye was ripped and muscular for both Bellew fights, but was clearly too heavy at 224 lbs & 220 lbs and wasn’t completely healthy.

Tubbs at 222 lbs against Young

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Tubbs at 229 lbs (a bit too heavy) against Page

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I don't wanna waste my time but Tyson wasn't down against Smith. And i think Smith never said similar stupidity.

 

1:48 Tyson is down and was very lucky Smith barely clipped him. If Smith would’ve connected cleanly he would’ve knocked Tyson out. Lane unsurprisingly didn’t call the knockdown, since he let Tyson foul the whole fight without taking a point.

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You are going to make an utter fool of yourself with this one. It's not the first time you've tried to slip it past people either. Blind Freddy can look for themselves and see what actually transpired.

 

You're an idiota.