How long does Patterson reign for if Liston and Ali are removed from history?

I suspect defences a host of defences against such Buster Mathis and Doug Jones would keep Floyd ticking over, Zora Folly and Leotis Martin might of proved interesting, ultimately it might of been Jimmy Ellis by debateable decision (as played out in gottenburg) or Joe Frazier by definitive Stoppage who got to Floyd first...Circa 66- 67... Of Course Jerry Quarry was coming into his own as well, Once you get to 66-67 the New Blood is coming through.

 

I'd imagine Floyd reigns up until Frazier emerges.

Williams wouldn't beat Patterson, he'd get knocked out I reckon.

 

Not long. He likely loses, but likely regains the title for a third time. I could see Williams bouncing him around or getting a stoppage. Maybe Terrell. But I think something happens and he ends up regaining again. I don't see him reigning 10+ years. Patterson can overcome adversity, though.

 

Seem to remember a quote from Liston that Williams would knock out Patterson,but Im not so sure.Maybe Floyd would be too quick.Machen I feel was a better fighter when Cus DAmato was avoiding him than when they actually fought,and was maybe on a par with Folley.These would have been very tough defences for Floyd,likewise Harold Johnson,a great fighter when Floyd was champ.But Im sure none of them would have blitzed him twice.Liston was a very great heavyweight IMO.

 

I don't think Terrell had massive strength ,and he did not utilise his height, usually fighting leaning forward. Either might take a decision.

I give Williams a real shot at stopping Floyd, he was relatively quick handed and hit extremely hard, not ideal qualities for Floyd to deal with. Both had less than stellar chins so its probably a win by the quick route either way. Folley ,and Machen are dangerous , but I give Floyd a slight edge.

 

Floyd is the champ for the better part of a decade (maybe more) over his two, or even three, reigns.

 

Good analysis B. E.:good

Stylistically I think Frazier would be all wrong for even a prime Floyd .

I give Floyd redemption for a pretty shitty reign , because as an aging ex champ he took on a lot of the iron of the division and held his own with them, an honourable man ,and a very good fighter.

 

for a decade? floyd had a very poor chin, and someone somewhere would have checked it, like ingo did.

 

Hence my noting its possible that he might have three reigns instead of the two he ended up with.

 

yeah I reckon individually I favour him over every hw around until Frazier but someone would have ended him, just a matter of who gets the upset.

 

I think he would beat Terrell, Williams, and Folley among others.

A case can be made that he deserved two wins over Quarry instead of a draw and a loss. Had Patterson been HW Champ would it have made a difference? Would he have won those decisions?

His loss to Jimmy Ellis was pretty close. Had Patterson been the Champ going into that fight would it have mattered?

I think that had Patterson not faced Liston or Ali that he may have faced Joe Frazier around 1967 and lost the HW Title to Frazier.

 

Ernie Terrel beats Floyd circa 1964.