How Long Does Wilder Last, As An 80 's Belt Holder?

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Yeah perhaps
     
  2. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    Lmao ok. The guy who was stopped in 1 round by Morrison is going to outbox wilder and take him out in 5 rounds at most. You definitely haven't watched any wilder or Thomas fights for that matter.
     
  3. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you really saying the Thomas that Morrison took out is the same guy that beat Witherspoon and Weaver? Just making sure we clarify your statement here. Sounds like you're the one needing to brush up on his studies.
     
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  4. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    After fighting the likes of Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson, Tim Witherspoon, Earnie Shavers, and Mike Weaver, Deontay Wilder would resemble a totally beaten Gene Wilder from 1971's Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory. Lol.
     
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  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Shavers would die.
     
  6. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A slow death or a quick one?
     
  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Assuming he can't rearrange his defenses, best case scenario would be as follows:
    1. Smokes Tate
    2. Smokes Weaver
    3. Smokes Coetzee
    4. TKOs Tillis
    5. Smokes Dokes
    6. Smokes Coetzee
    7. Smokes Page
    8. Smokes Tubbs
    9. Smokes Witherspoon
    10. Tkos Bonecrusher
    11. Gets destroyed by Tyson

    It probably wouldn't happen like that, but it could happen like that.
     
  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    He makes Wilder look like Oliver McCall.
     
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  9. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I hear you, have him in tears, good assessment.
     
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  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Considering Tate, Weaver, Coetzee, Dokes, Coetzee (again), and Spoon all got smoked themselves in losing their WBA belt to lesser punchers than Wilder, seems totally plausible.
     
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  11. Glass City Cobra

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    I'm not. I'm saying Thomas' chin is unlikely to hold up against Wilder. He got stopped by Tyson and even Hoylfield who isn't a particularly heavy puncher. For all the flaws wilder has, power is not one of them. He lands flush, Thomas might be done for.

    And anyone claiming a 6'3 boxer is just going to casually dominate a 6'7 fighter with a jab and then take them out in 5 rounds is either smoking the same stuff Thomas was or they haven't seen wilder fight. Take your pick. Wilder dominated the 6'2 stiverne who was close to the same height as Thomas with HIS jab and won basically every round. I'm not saying stiverne was as good as Thomas, but it's something to think about. Use a little bit of common sense and basic anatomy. I don't think a 6'7 guy with an 83' reach who won the title by jabbing a guys head off will get outjabbed and outboxed to the point of being helpless against a 6'3 guy with a 77' reach. I don't think that has happened in the history of boxing but I could be wrong.
     
  12. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're the one that drew the Morrison correlation with Thomas. Why back off it now( other than to suddenly realize how pointless it is to mention it)?

    As to "basic anatomy" as you put it, how'd that work for Joshua against Usyk?

    Try again, but adjust your argument.
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

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    Yeppers.
     
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  14. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Thomas was consistent from 1978 all the way thru 1985. Berbick was where he fell off and he never starred again. He fought at a high level from 82 thru 85.
     
  15. choklab

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    So very true. However I think in these cases where the faddish generational cycle is concerned it is still quite easy to consider the 50-50 matchup element. Take a career, regardless of era, and see how often a guy is matched to win and how often the matches are a roll of the dice. If the guy loses each time the match is a roll of the dice then he cannot be considered better than a guy who won more of those kinds of matches.
     
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