How Long Have Heavyweights Been All Time Worst?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Butch Coolidge, Jul 29, 2012.


  1. boranbkk

    boranbkk "ไม่ได้โม้นะ" Full Member

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    The HW divison has and will always be the weakest link in the boxing chain. Except for a few standouts over the last 100 years on the whole HW fights are boring and ugly with overwieght, unskilled fighters gassing after a couple of rounds.

    Permanent lack of depth and quality.
     
  2. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    I see your point Butch.....

    But having film on dozens of great HWs from several continents, dating back to the teens, I gotta say that in 1995, HW boxing became as good as it has ever been as the GOAT won his first big comeback fight having come back from his first big KO loss.

    **** the writers and the fair weather fans. If we look only at film and LOC, we'd acknowledge the fact that a Blevel contender like Mavrovic would have ruled the roost in almost any era except the preceding 2.

    I think in 20 yrs time, most fans, not Klitlickers or nostalgia nuthuggers or Ali huggers will acknowledge that the GOAT started his rise to the top in that yr. And from that time one he faced a lone setback vs a monster puncher that he easily revenged.:deal

    HW Boxing will improve until there is a change in the pattern of human work ethic. As of now, americans are becoming better workers. Working harder for less. But in the 90s, when todays fighters were coming up they saw their deadbeat dads sitting on street corners hustling crack. I think the next generation of HW fighters will be far better from america. Thankfully we have the hardworking eastern euros and the always solid UK to keep HW boxing on the map.
     
  3. Blake Rayne

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    :yep
     
  4. boranbkk

    boranbkk "ไม่ได้โม้นะ" Full Member

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    That's a good post an an even better avy! :thumbsup
     
  5. Ncc84

    Ncc84 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's always been the case, a lot of journalists etc would say Ali wasnt as good as dempsey or marciano, which is obvious bull****.
    People will eventually look back at now and see it as a very strong era, as it is the first time that all the strong boxing nations are competing in the pros
     
  6. Ncc84

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    No, I think his point is valid, if a couple of americans came along and replaced the Klitschkos many people would see it as stronger than the previous era, and stop the trend of people always thinking it is the weakest ever
     
  7. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was said and written that; the Larry Holmes era was the worst ever, the Mike Tyson era was the worst ever, the Lennox Lewis was the worst ever, Joe Louis only fought bums---Americans for the most part had a lid on the heavyweight division for many, many years, but according to publications like The Ring and KO ( now defunct ) the heavyweights were in a state completely devoid of talent. Even if there was another Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson, Joe Louis dominating the heavyweight division, it would still be labeled "at its all-time worst", like it was called when Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson, Joe Louis actually dominated the heavyweight division. If you could get your hands on some old boxing magazines, you'd see that it doesn't matter who the heavyweight champion was and who the heavyweight challengers were, the heavyweight division was always "at its all time worst".


    I feel like it's time for somebody to point out that the Imperial Boxing Writers are wearing no clothes. At least with interactive media we can point out that the All Knowing Masters of Knowledge in Professional Boxing Universe, really don't know ****.

    I like Max Kellerman's comment when some wise old boxing sage commented that the "heavyweight division is at its all time worst," and Kellerman immediately skewered the wise old boxing sage by simply saying, "when haven't they said that" which is one of the more salient points made about boxing.
     
  8. Ncc84

    Ncc84 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, I get what you mean, and I agree with you, it's a point that I have raised previously in threads.
    However, that trend could change if the next era is dominated by americans, people would say that it isnt the worst era for a change as they would see it as better than the previous era.
     
  9. Butch Coolidge

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    It never stopped them from writing the same opinion when Americans did have a virtual monopoly on the heavyweight division. I don't look to it being any different in the future. In fact, just simply look at how virtually nothing is being said about the USA's future heavyweight prospects. We don't see too much about Deontay Wilder, Seth Mitchell or Bryant Jennings being hailed as much of anything. It seems like there's more to-do made about David Price than Wilder although I believe both are bronze medalists. Only Wilder most likely did not have near the international amateur experience Price has.
     
  10. Ncc84

    Ncc84 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    People will still think it's a crap era, but they will think it's better than the previous. do you not agree? You don't think a future hypothetical era with americans as world champions will not be seen as stronger than an era dominated by europeans in american press.
    With regards to what you said about Price and Wilder, although they are both bronze medalists, Price won a bronze in the top weight category whereas Wilder's bronze was essentially a cruiserweight bronze,
     
  11. Ncc84

    Ncc84 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Heavyweight has always been the strongest divison, where the best boxers in the world compete