How long will the winner hold both the IBF and WBO titles....and will it matter ?

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  1. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think the sanctioning bodies will come to an agreement on the mandatory requirements for the winner of the big Feb. 23 showdown, and this poor guy won't be able to keep both belts for very long.

    I think for a unified champion to be able to maintain more than one title, the respective sanctioning bodies have to be in agreement and come together to get the mandatory requirements doable for the fighter to be able to meet, seeing as how its only one fighter. They sort of have to act as if they were one sanctioning body, to so speak.

    But if the WBO and IBF don't want to act in unison regarding who the winner fights, and in what timeframe, does it matter? I think once, say, Wladimir, wins both titles, it won't matter if the WBO strips him, cause to the boxing fans, he'll still be the WBO champion, regardless of it he has the physical title, or not. Right?

    Thoughts?
     
  2. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The winner should drop the WBO title and go for the WBA and WBC.
     
  3. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is what Im talking about Heavyrighthand, Wlad will probably have to drop the WBO belt anyway so whats the big deal about this fight then? Its not like the best the division are colliding to see whos best, real fans know Wlads the champ in the Heavyweight division right now.
     
  4. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad isn't the champ now. He's the most highly regarded guy there no question but he need to beat Maskaev and Chagaev to be the undisputed champion.
     
  5. Quik

    Quik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is that problem only beetween the WBO/IBF or is it the same thing with the WBO/WBC or WBO/WBA?
     
  6. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    who cares if he drops it. even if you dont think the wbo is a legit belt, sultan is a legit top 5 hw. he is the best opponent available. u keep bringing up chagaev and valuev. trust me, chagaev and his management wants no part of wlad. u cant force some one in the ring with you. wlad has tried like crazy to unify since 06 but iggy is the only crazy enough to step up :nut

    chagaev is holding the belt hostage and gonna wait for the valuev-white kitten fight to unfold. remember, he is the one who killed the wbo/wba unification with a tummy ache :yep
     
  7. Heavyrighthand

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    Cause he'll already have won the WBO title in the ring, and will BE the WBO champion, regardless of if they strip him, or not.

    As I see it, the unification fights are merely a process to go through in order to find which fighter can beat the others, then after he's done that, it don't matter if he is stripped or not, cause we'll then have a proven champion who beat the other titleholders.

    Possession of the titles, or not, he's still the man.

    Right?
     
  8. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dont care if Wlad drops it either, but I thought unification is what everyone wants? Whats the sense of this match if Wlads just going to drop the belt anyway, this fights not even going to competitve.:tired
     
  9. Heavyrighthand

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    Proving, in the ring, that he's better than the WBO titleholder is.......its all about proving dominance, and showing that you can beat the other titleholders, regardless of how good they are, or are not.

    As I said, let them dump the belt right after the fight. Cuase then, the physical belt is really meaningless, after one fighter has unified it with his.
     
  10. Thom

    Thom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Screw the belts. Wlad just needs focus on beating the other top guys in the division in order to establish himself as the legit HW champ ASAP. I couldn't care less if he vacates one of them after the fight.
     
  11. Punisher33

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    As much as I dislike Wlad, I already see him as the champ of the division wether he has 1 or 2 titles. At this point I just want to see Wlad fight guys that will push him and make competitve fights with him, and there is a few guy that could do that IMO, and Iggy isnt one of them.:-(
     
  12. 11player

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    The unification fight is what matters the most, but not retaining it and having to fight lousy undeserving mandatories. On the other hand, Wlad should defend the WBO and IBF belts, considering he wins it, against Thompson and Povetkin, bc those are tremendous fights as well. He should try the WBA belt also.

    After Sultan, Wlad should go for:
    Thompson in early May;
    Chagaev in August;
    Povetkin in November
     
  13. Heavyrighthand

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    But others can dispute that he is the champion, cause you have Chagaev and Maskaev, each with titles of their own, and claims of being champions, in their own right.

    To be undisputed, and unquestioned as champion, he has to physically beat the others in the ring. And until he does, saying he is the champion, now, is merely an opinion. Right?

    To be undisputed champion, he must face and beat the other three titleholders, thereby omitting their claim of being champions.

    He can't merely say he's better, and show his more impressive resume, as that is all speculative, as to which resume is better.

    He has to physically TAKE their titles away. :good That is what undisputed means...... proven, so as noone can dispute it.
     
  14. Punisher33

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    Yes it is opinion, but form what I gathered on ESB, I think at least 90% of people recognize Wlad as the man to beat in the division. Is there guys he must beat to prove himself, yes I would say so. I just hope after this match he gets a match with Chagaev or maybe Peter again, there matches I would love to see and Im sure they both would be exciting matches too.:good
     
  15. Heavyrighthand

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    I don't care to see him beat Peter again, unless Peter beats Maskaev and Vitali. Otherwise, I don't see a Peter rematch as being too crutial to Wlad's dominance procliamation.

    I do agree on Chag, though. Wlad vs. Chag is the best heavyweight fight to be made, bar none. Chag is indefeated, is fast, aggressive, and holds a world title.......So as I see it, noone can claim to be the heavyweight champion of the world, tll they beat Chagaev.

    But anyone with a title will do. As brining the fractured title together agian, is the first priority.