how long would Ali,Holmes,Foreman,Lewis have gone with Vlad & Vitalis opponents

Is this a serious question or rhetorical?

 

So Lewis has to beat himself?

 

My first thought was that they would beat everybody except Lewis rather easily, but things rarely work out that way in practice.

Even in a weak era, somebody will probe your limitations.

 

Interesting question.

Vitali. You have Lennox. Sanders is a dangerous guy and probably the southpaw scores an upset over 1 of those guys in a surprise. I'm not sure if any of those guy's would come out of a multiple surgery forced retirement for that long and have enough to beat a guy like Peter though--I think they need some softies to sharpen up first. Coming back after 4 years and at 38 just doesn't sound like wins to me. All those guys showed major deterioration in reflexes by that stage of the game. It wasn't as if Larry and George were mowing down top 10 competition during their comebacks--that was very very selective matchmaking and orchestration.

Overall, I don't think that group would age as well as Vitali and could defend the title from like age 38 to the present. Not defending the title and guys like williams are very dangerous fights.

Wlad. I think the big factor here is long term consistency. Wlad's been at it 17 years and is still champ and more important, dominating. This isn't Ali digging up Evangelista type stuff. So I think those old names just had too many miles on the odometer to fight top 10 opposition for say the last 14 years.

The other big thing I see as a factor is the southpaw thing. Those guys like Holmes fought Nick Wells and that was it. Wlad's fought a ton of them and continues to get the results even late in his career. So I see a guy like Chagaev or Thompson with wins just due to reflexes and not facing southpaws and that being too big a puzzle to solve late in their careers.

Overall, their records might be similar between the Klitschko's and those greats, but there will still be losses on there due to the longevity of facing that type of competition for so long. Maybe not as many early losses, but more late losses and the arrow would definately pointing to retirement as opposed to the Klitschko still looking formidable as champs 17 years in.

 

Pretty much my thoughts

 

This is my thinking.

There are a lot more champions who manage a short period of dominance, than there are that achieve genuine longevity, and there are reasons why this is the case.

It is not a huge ask for an ATG to beat any given oponent on Wlad's resume, but beating them all over the same time scale is an enormous ask.

 

True enough, we never saw Joe Louis matched agaist a world class southpaw.

 

Foreman might have lost 2 of 3 Wlad's losses for the same reason Wlad lost to them.
Gassing.


It is hilarious how people don't know boxing fall for the Foreman had bad stamina routine because he punched himself out against Ali and had a heat stroke against Jimmy Young. I seen Ali puffing and holding on late in fights too but since the media never told you he has bad stamina then he doesn't.

Apparently Foreman didn't have bad stamina when he 2 times went 10 rounds with the highly skilled, awkward boxer Gregoria Peralta. But 2 fights made his career. It is amazing how Joe Louis got wacked up by 180 pound Max Schmelling but that doesn't ruing his career. Mike Tyson bog knocked out by journey nobody Buster Douglas and everybody makes excuses for him. Muhammad Ali was basically knocked out by 1 punch from Henry Cooper but does that mean any 180 to 190 pound fighter could do the same.

But since Foreman got so called gassed out in 2 out of his 47 prime bouts he would gas out against Wlads opponents?

Wlad got knocked out by Corrie Sanders in the second round so gassing out had nothing to do with anything. He got beat because Wlad is a glass chin joke who spend the rest of his career hand picking his opponents.

Anothing thing is how Larry Holmes is built up on sites like this. A guy who avoided prime Foreman who struggled to beat people like a washed up Ken Norton, Struggled to beat people like Glass chin Earnie Shavers who got wacked out by everybody. Get knocked down by people like Renaldo Snipes a revlatively light puncher. But because he had 20 title defense against a bunch of nobodies he is a legend now?

So legendary that Don King bet that Shavers would beat him. So legendary that none of the people he defended his title against were considered world class fighters.

 

Lets just take their victory's and how the non ATG's would of fared.

Povektin- Already beat all of Wlads best wins. Might have trouble with Haye but could definitly out work him to get a late ko. Cant see him having any trouble with Peter and would time and counter him all night.

Haye- Could have some trouble with Sultan. Chambers is overrated and would get ambushed by a bomb he's not able to take. Peter would make Haye look like an ATG.

Tony Tucker- Underrated technically efficient boxer. Went the distance with Prime Mike and also with Lewis 6 years later when he was washed up and addicted to yeyo. Would out box Haye and put him away late rounds. At his very best I like his chances against both Wlad and Vitali.

Buster Douglas- That one off Douglas who ko'd Tyson would be far too much for anybody on both brothers records. Pity that version of Buster was just a flash in the pan.

90's Ray Mercer- Lost to a very active combination punching Lewis by only a point. Had an iron beard and good offence. Would waether the storm with all of Wlads oppoents to take them out and id favour him over Wlad as well.

Frank Bruno- The most trouble he might have is with Byrd but he will no doubt get bombed out something horrible sooner or later.

 

Wlad will be lucky , very lucky to enter the hall of fame and is not a ATG.

 

You're first post was pretty spot on...

But Wlad will surely get in the HoF because he is the first to unify the division with his brother (besides staying on top for so long.)

 

.... They knock them all out.

 

If Wlad is not admited into the Hall of Fame, I will show my backside in a shop window of your choice.