How long would Frazier reign in an all-Valuev division?

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Assume that every fighter in the 1960s-1970s is a duplicate of Nikolay Valuev at some point in his heavyweight development.

    The "tomato cans" are copies of Valuev in his first or second pro fight, the journeymen are copies of Valuev early in his career, the top 10 contenders are Valuevs in their primes (Donald/Ruiz/etc.), the fading contenders are Valuev from the Haye match, and so on.

    Does Frazier get the crown? If so, how long does he keep it?
     
  2. Ipay4leavingNot

    Ipay4leavingNot Active Member Full Member

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    Frazier only weakness was to the strongest hardest hitting boxer who knocked out alot of top fighters in 1-2 rounds. Frazier was not knocked out, he got up every time. Frankly had the fight been in 1920 instead of the 70s he'd have a decent chance of winning because foreman would eventually tire. Prime Foreman was a tough opponent to beat. You are talking a guy who got up from 2-3 knock downs in the span of 2 rounds against ron lyle, got up and knocked him out anyways. And at that point Ron Lyle was almost good as any other champion in history. I mean how many guys can floor foreman in under 4 rounds 2-3 times?

    I've saw Frazier win the gold medal over a guy who was russian, tall (at least 6'6) and he tore him to shreads. I'm not convinced that height is a disadvantage to frazier. I seen him annihilate alot of big and tall guys. Foreman was Frazier perfect counter fold, but that doesn't mean all or most tall guys would beat frazier. Not even ali beat frazier the first time he fought him.
     
  3. energie

    energie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    your an idiot beyond idiot....valuev for a guy his size couldnt crack an egg
     
  4. Andrei00

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    So is Chagaev.
     
  5. Andrei00

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    I get it that Foreman is stylistically bad for Frazier, but the truth is he came in at the most vulnerable point in Frazier's career. A prime version of Joe who won't do the mistake of overrating him, would do much better.

    Personally, I think Frazier would have trouble with all the big heavyweights that came after him but there are still some he could definitely beat. Don't know which one of those categories Valuev fits in, never had the interest to watch him fight.
     
  6. clark

    clark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Valuev is not a boxer, stop it already
     
  7. Andrei00

    Andrei00 Active Member Full Member

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    Right! :lol:
     
  8. clark

    clark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joe would chop him down.
     
  9. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    He wouldn't last long. He'd be broke.
    Heavyweight boxing wouldn't last. Who would want to watch that **** ?
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Frazier beat GERMAN Hans Huber in the Olympic final, Huber was 6'3".It went the 3rds distance
    Frazier met a RUSSIAN Vadim Yemelyanov in the semi final Yemelyanov's corner threw in the towel in the 2nd rd.Yemelyanov was 6'4".
     
  11. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    He also took apart the undefeated 6'3" Buster Mathis, one of my favorite Frazier performances.

    At any rate: Valuev was so slow and ponderous he couldn't catch Frazier coming in and he's too big to tie him up and save himself on the inside, Frazier would use him as a heavy bag, it would not be pretty.

    Frazier would just eat all these Valuev's for breakfast and retire undefeated.
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Undefeated and unranked and whose best win was over an unranked Chuvalo. Mathis was competitive with Frazier , but lacked the conditioning and stamina to stay with him in the later rounds , plus he did not hit hard enough to get Frazier's respect. Frazier would lap Valuev for class and Valuev had no pop , but he did take a very good punch,this might well be a case of body mass simply overwhelming quality.
     
  13. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Valuev's gigantisism -- that medical condition that he has -- does it enforce his ribs? If not, I think Joe stops him.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :lol:
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Was he ever visibly hurt by a body shot?