How Long would Joe Louis or Vitali last against a prime Tyson?

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  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol....funny question!

    Louis stops Tyson in the 8th so my guess is he lasts until the post fight victory interview before leaving the ring
     
  2. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I wish you didnt say Tyson is 30 years past his prime, **** me I feel old. Louis beating Tyson early is a bit ridiculous, absolutely no evidence to even theorise this. what we do have is evidence of Tyson's durability, among other things. I guess its all opinions at the end of the day but that's just silly imo.
     
  3. Balder

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    Louis is gone early. The only way for him to win is to hit Tyson Early and Finish him. Otherwise Tyson would rip him to shreds. Louis did not have the size or chin to stay in long. I see a Tyson Right dropping him for the count.

    Vitali would be a great fight. Vitali has the ability to use his height to his advantage and the Granite Jaw and overall general durability to withstand Tysons early assault. Viitali if not Cut ,will land enough punches to get respect and with his endurance is able to take over the fight late. Probably not enough to win though as the early rounds will go to Tyson. I say Tyson takes a decision but loses in the rematch.
     
  4. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Does Tyson exploit Louis' weakness, or does Joe exploit Tyson's weakness? Just would not want to be facing the Louis of "Schmeling 2 fight", when Louis was really bissed off "pre-fight".
     
  5. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A pissed off Louis just means he will take more chances meaning he will just get knocked out quicker.
     
  6. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It wasn't just being pissed. It was that he had fixed a jabbing flaw that Shmeling had taken advantage of during their first encounter. Here is an interesting documentary on both fighters in which it is explained.

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  7. janitor

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    If you gave Louis an opponent who was prepared to come straight at him, he would think that all his Christmases had come at once.
     
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  8. superman1986

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    As much as I love Louis, this COULD be a blowout and I stress the word Could. Personally, I'd favor Joe Louis over a Liston or Foreman for various reasons. But a prime Tyson is different because he possessed speed that Liston and Foreman didn't and thus wouldn't be able to be timed and countered as easily.

    Theres this thought that Louis couldn't move, but he could when he wanted to. Look at the Baer and Carnera fights, he used almost Holyfield like lateral movement.

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    Louis had the boxing ability and punching power to beat Tyson and by KO. But it would be late. And I don't know how Louis chin would hold up to flush shots and the combined speed and power of Tyson.

    So.......Tyson early, Louis late. Whoever wins wins by KO.

    As far as Vitali, he was a giant with skill and punching power. But I think that he would fight too defensively to win against Tyson. I think he'd see the last round while taking big shots that rock him. I see another Bonecrusher Smith/Tyson like fight, with Vitali mauling but Tyson's aggression giving him the rounds. So I think Vitali would last 12 rounds, but lose a convincing unanimous decision.
     
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  9. superman1986

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    I found a copy of the obituary from Joe Louis funeral service but I can't figure out how to upload images on here.

    Muhuammad Ali and Larry Holmes were active pallbearers.

    Floyd Patterson, Ken Norton, both Sugar Rays, Max Schmeling, Lou Nova, Billy Conn, Coleman Young (mayor of Detroit for 20 years) Tom Bradley (mayor of Los Angeles) John Conyers (congressman from Michigan to this day) were all honorary pallbearers among many others. Even an official representative from the White House representing the President of the United States and the Pentagon.
     
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  10. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Louis by KO and Vitali by decision.
     
  11. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Tyson could possible take Louis out early.

    Personally, I think the fact that Louis can fight going backwards, while Mike really can't, would make all the difference. Louis has options when Mike puts his attack on. Louis has options if he is knocked down, dazed, or hurt. Mike really doesn't. If he gets hurt and lets his guard down for one moment with his come forward style, I don't see any way for him to escape Louis's accurate finishing abilities.
     
  12. It's Ovah

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    Tyson would blow Louis away. Louis was very hittable, had a terrible chin, cement feet and a tendency to in-fight. Complete recipe for a one sided slaughtering by the bigger, stronger man.

    Vitali lasts longer, but I don't get this love affair posters have with him. He was very beatable, IMO; he just never fought the calibre of opposition that could have done the job. Tyson I think either batters him to a UD or stops him late. Sanders and Hide showed what a fast-handed brutal puncher like Tyson could theoretically have performed like against Vitali. Unlike those guys, however, he wouldn't go down from a jab or gas out in two rounds.
     
  13. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wonder why James "Quick" Tillis did so well against Tyson?
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    Joe Louis was stopped just twice in his whole professional career, in about 70 fights.
    Once he was stopped in 12 rounds by Schmeling and once in the 8th round by Marciano.
    And people are saying he gets blown out early by Tyson!

    I say Louis should knock out Tyson (who was stopped 6 times including quit jobs) "quite early" and that's apparently ridiculous based on Tyson's proven durability ?!

    It doesn't add up.

    For the record, I don't think either of them could endured a high volume of punches from the other. Not because they weren't durable but because they both hit so hard and accurate in combinations. The styles favour Louis, in my opinion. A better boxer, he'd catch Tyson coming in way too often, and I'd expect Tyson to be knocked out somewhere around 4th to 6th round.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Tony Galento and Buddy Baer were front foot fighters they gave Joe a couple of uncomfortable moments.So did Godoy and Mauriello.