How long would Tyson have lasted had he not quit against Holyfield?

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  1. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How long do you think Tyson would have lasted had he not looked for a way out and bit Holyfield in their rematch?

    Some say Tyson was in much better shape for this bout but it was clear Holyfield was still the dominant force in there.

    Tyson went all out in the 3rd round in the hope to at least buckle Holyfield but he was met with fire and soon put back in his place.

    Being in better shape would Tyson have survived to see the final bell? I believe Holyfield may have stopped him even earlier than their first bout.
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No Holy didn`t land much in the 3rd round and his defense looked shaky in the round too, but Tyson was panic fighting, if it wasn`t stopped on cuts Holy would have stopped him in the next few rounds, the third would have been Mike`s last hurrah.
     
  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes it did look that way tbh. It must be disheartening being touted as one of the hardest punchers off all time and not hurting in the slightest a juiced up LHW with twigs for legs. He must have thought Holyfield was possessed by the devil himself. One of Tyson's best buddies José
    Torres put it best, Tyson just thought "No way can I beat this man."
     
  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holyfield fought fire with fire and soon put Tyson back in his place, Tyson knew right there he was on to another hiding. He put it all in to the 3rd round and could not rattle Holyfield in the slightest. It would have been all downhill for Mike after that round.
     
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I feel Holy was uncomfortable in that round and didn`t land any power punches in that round, but Tyson was already planning to bite his ear because he didn`t put his gumshield in at the start of that round, it`s all semantic anyway because Tyson was not fighting how he would of under Rooney, he had no confidence going into the fight at all.
     
  6. Wass1985

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    Yep but still a pathetic way to go about it though, I can't imagine someone like Joe Frazier being so dishonourable.

    It's a strange one because he did go out on his shield against Douglas and Lewis, I just think Holyfield unnerved him like no other. He well and truly had his number and Tyson knew it.
     
  7. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think your eyes are seeing things they want to believe, Holyfield looked like a duck in water, like a surgeon in the theatre, like Ron Jeremy in Jenna Jameson.........
     
  8. Fergy

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    It would have panned out Holyfield stopping him ,in a similar manner as the first fight, with Tyson against the rope's getting hammered. Holy would have broke him down round by round ,with Tyson only getting a occasional good hard shot in .Mills jumps in between them ,saving Tyson from further punishment ,in around the 8 th.
     
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  9. Gatekeeper

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    7 or 8 rounds max if Tyson had tried to keep fighting but if he had decided to go into survival mode and clinch, maul and smother it's possible he could have made it to the final bell.
     
  10. TheWorstEver(TWE)

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    He was in good physical shape but he had no confidence at all, you could see that before the fight started, & then he fought like he had no real belief. I reckon he would've been stopped around the 8th or 9th, maybe sooner.
     
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  11. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    I don´t know if Tyson was "smart at the moment" of realizing much, more than not having his emotions under control revenging for a cut and "headbuts".

    Its not correct that Tyson tried to bomb him out in the first and stake everything on one card. I have it open on YT right know, its just not correct. Commentator: "Tyson did not come out as many of us thought rly fast and guns blazing." while Giachetti is telling Tyson to adjust his jab lower. Hi didn´t brawl it out visibly either. In round two, after the cut, its Holyfield who is brawling.
    Round 3 he comes out firing, commentators think he´s done better (surprise!), until the bite appears.
     
  12. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can't make out the facts for all the bull****.
     
  13. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    I´m just saying he isn´t jumping on Holyfield and going for chances via brawl. Thats what he did in round three, but certainly not in the first two.

    Would he´ve lasted longer? With or without the cut, in one word: No.
    Sloppy shots, most without firing any 1-2, just single missing shots, left hooks over Holyfields head (and even getting adjusted by Giachetti instantly by lowering the jab for round 1), he does it again and again. This guy also seemed like he was standing there without knowing what to throw. And to take that further: In no world would he beat a younger and improved Lennox Lewis like that.

    Would be interesting to see the punch stats compared to some of his earlier fights here.
     
  14. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's better, and yes he just did not know what to do with Holyfield. Tyson showed that he didn't have great fighting intelligence and couldn't do thinks without strict instruction.
     
  15. rski

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    Pointing out the obvious really, it’s clear Tyson was mentally done. I really don’t belive he would have bitten a guys ear off pre prison, he may well have lost but not like that. He was more professional, by 97 he couldnt care less, he was a con job. That’s not to say this didn’t show Tyson’s true character, but on the other side of the coin he showed bravery in his other losses. I think he made his mind up that if he was losing he would get out of the fight, there were signs of that in thier first fight. Tyson had no stability by this point, there is just no way he could mentally overcome this task, I felt that at the time and couldn’t see how he would win, the first fight was so conclusive. He looked flat and unable to crack Holyfield and the cut gave him the excuse to implode. It’s clear he would have lost, but he wouldn’t allow it to happen.