How many amateur fights is enough?

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  1. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Depends on how well the fighter grasps, understands and applies his style.....and age. Too many fights is usually because of age I had over 200...but if a guy has talent and gets it in say 20 figgts then he is better off. Eastern europeans having alot of fights is not uncommon but becoming less so with pro boxing getting bigger....succesful amateurs in the U.S.used to have lengthy careers Donald Curry had over 400 but Mark Breland had around 100. But if you get a fighter who has natural gifts he needs a little ring time in front of crowds and should be OK
     
  2. Reg

    Reg Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lomachenko has done more in 5 years than most American fighters like Charlo and Jacobs have done in 13 years of being a professional ,so no.


    I'd rather watch a guy in the Amateurs consistently matched up against the best amateurs in the world before turning pro and jumping straight into the deep in within 2-3 years than watch a guy spend 8 years fighting journeymen through the ranks.
     
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  3. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Definitely.

    There's no padding your record in the amateurs.
     
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  4. IntentionalBrit

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    One white collar fight, then you are a Wilder level opponent
     
  5. Surrix

    Surrix Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah because no one cares about record per se.
    Interesting are medals, cups in tournaments, high places in championships etc alike things.

    In pros too a lot depends from management, country you are living.
    Lomachenko get good fight for his debut, then a title fight, then next title fight and quickly was on big scene.
    Usyk had slower road: while he looked even more effective in his pro debut fight than Loma, he had 9 fights in pros before he get title shot vs Glowacki and to fight in Poland for WBO World title. Ofc a lot of pressure to fight with " tickets seller " in his country.

    A lot of not well known lads without amateur superstar reputation gets longer road.
    Some from small hall shows and club fights, some are picked by some larger promoter because they at least had proved that they can KO ppl in ammies.

    Pro boxing is a bit strange if compare with amateur boxing: if in gym are amateur boxers and pros it is easy to see casual flowchart:
    gym always trying to place best their amateur boxers in tournaments and is concerned about possible results.
    Pros? Not all pro boxers are equal.
    No one gym will place in amateur tournament boxer with 0-11 record and 5 fights lost via stoppage in row.
    In pros, yeah, even such kind of boxers gets their 12 th pro fight. Someone needs to have them in the ring.
    Formerly maybe not bad boxers with long lost fights streak via stoppages: too in amateurs fights rarerly.
    In pros happens, guy lost 4 fights via stoppages in single row and is getting next fight.
     
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  6. Serge

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    Just to clarify. When I say 100-150 I mean no more than that amount
     
  7. Surrix

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    Ofc Loma fought in amateurs too long. One Olympic Gold medal and World Championship Gold medal is enough to be declared as proven amateur superstar. 1 or 2 World Championship Gold medals doesn't make difference.

    For Loma looks that medals liked a lot, therefore he fought in next Games too.
    Maybe his aim was to make legacy: like 2 Olympic Gold medals, 2 World Championship Gold medals looks good for sport history.
     
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  8. Furey

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    I can't say GGG comes to mind for me.

    He's been a pro for 15 years (turned over aged 23/24), has won world titles, been the #1 MW in the world and is still one of the top dogs in the division aged 38....
     
  9. Surrix

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    Still clock is ticking.
    Why for example Pulev had been predicted to have high chances to win vs Wlad?
    Because Wlad then was with long mileage in amateur ranks and 38 years 7 months old with 65 pro fights under belt and showed that he is over the hill.
    Pulev then was 33 y.o up coming with 20-0-0 pro record. Not too old, not too young and this is what this is.
    Wlad had ended his prime in this fight. Pulev never was exactly the same after this fight. Wlad just then was not enough old.
     
  10. DonnyMo

    DonnyMo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For an American, the unwritten rule is that you turn pro at 19. Some guys might turn at 18 or 20yrs old, but really any elite boxer that waits longer is simply waiting for an olympic year and by making an olympic team and performing (very) well then he can get a larger signing bonus, $2-3m for a blue chip.

    That being said, before turning 20 the number of fights doesn't really matter in my opinion.

    I think a good amateur should have 100-150 fights to be successful, so long as those fights are fought at a high level. I'd like to hear that a guy fought (or won) nationals.

    Oscar and Shane each turn pro at 19 with respective records of 225-6 and 235-6 if I remember correctly.

    A 3rd fight with 2 minute rounds and big foam gloves isn't remotely like professional boxing. The training that goes into is different as well. Donald Curry had 400 fights and turned pro young...and I don't think he left any rubber on the road of that long amateur career.
     
  11. Surrix

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    Amateur rules are with 2min and also with 3 min rounds. With these foam gloves too for example hands had been damaged and ribs broken. Of course with pro gloves to do this is easier.

    Amateur boxing not always was like you see during last decades.
    Old time amateurs had gloves with horsehair padding cos foam just wasn't common thing.
    Therefore some amateur boxers had 55, 73 and 70 and 85 wins via stoppages.

    Also if about gas tank, for high level amateur you need good gas tank. You will fight with 1 guy, then in the same week next and next guy and they might gave you southpaw, then orthodox and then next guy. Fight or go home. For a pro you might ask your matchmaker to gave you easy fights and tell him that you do not like southpaw, southpaw who fights orthodox ( these are nightmare ). If you can sell tickets or do have $ or someone who wish to pump you up does have money. At least for first pro fights definitely.

    In amateurs if you like them, they might gave you easier fight ( I know about lottery but damn, be real ) and nothing more, next guy after this win you should fight or go home. Who this will be, it is not possible to tell.
     
  12. Surrix

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    pros btw does have 2 types of gloves : with foam padding and with horsehair padding.
    If a pro is with brittle hands usually foam padding is more preferable.

    The biggest difference between pro and ammy gloves ( cert ) is how you are able to close fist.
    Otherwise concussion is possible to handle out even with 18 oz sparring gloves. While yeah, to beat ribs is more effective with pro gloves, the smaller the better for sure. Also to land on face, jab with pro glove is different effect.

    If there are wide amplitude full power punches then even with sparring gloves and headgear concussion or even worse might happen.

    Am boxing really is different than pro due to scoring and fight rules + how long fight might be.
    Pros: you have usually 4 or 6 rounds in beginning of career and might choose preferences: you have good gas tank and your opponent bad gas tank but he is fast starter, guy picks 6 rounder to be scheduled if this is possible.

    Body type too, short and stocky guys usually are lesser suitable for amateurs than lanky guys with long reach.
    Ppl are different of course.
     
  13. Surrix

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    If talk about padding, since gloves are ( will assume ) new and checked and from factory and in equal weight then:
    it will not be like if you have 8 oz gloves with horsehair padding this will be immediately more effective than the same design gloves with foam padding.
    They will be more " effective " after some ~100 or more blows done, regardless on guard or on opponent.

    The difference between foam and horsehair is that this horsehair padding faster gets old, this is also in course of the fight.

    If hands are good and tough, usually they try to pick these gloves for longer fights. 4 rounders I think is not worth that much.
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    3 or 4 amateur fights
     
  15. Surrix

    Surrix Well-Known Member Full Member

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    dear God.
    for B side corner kid it might be enough.