How Many ATGs and HOFers Has Tyson Fury Beat?

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  1. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Sure, the division was weak. But Wlad went out and fought top contenders after top contenders. How many have Fury and Wilder fought?
    :lol: You can combine Fury and Wilder´s resumes and you would still come up short of 10 legitimate top 10 contenders.

    Chris Byrd, Lamon Brewster, Samuel Peter, Sultan Ibragimov, Jameel McCline, Ruslan Chagaev, David Haye, Alexander Povetkin, Kubrat Pulev and Bryant Jennings; all legitimate contenders and way more impressive than what Fury and Wilder have combined.
    Wlad is an ATG because he went on a dominant run where he faced top tier competition of that time. Povetkin, Haye and Pulev; they were the widely considered as the NR 1 contenders at the time of the fights.
    And of course Wlad also faced Fury, another contender sitting at the top spot, and then there was Joshua.
     
  2. ConfusedGuy

    ConfusedGuy Member Full Member

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    This is genuinely one of the most stupid posts I have ever seen. Do you think every fighter peaks, and is shot at the exact same age? Jesus Christ....Ali had parkinson's ffs. Wlad looked to have lost a step against Jennings but wasn't shot.
     
  3. McGrain

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    Yeah, claiming Ali for Berbick IS kind of ****ed up. Ali couldn't get licensed in the USA. American television didn't even bid on the fight, form memory one state broadcast and it wasn't New York or Nevada. Nobody cared. Sadly, everyone knew he was a bust. Ali's purse was a million bucks. He never got paid. There were no gloves provided, the fighters had to use their training gloves. There wasn't even a ringside bell. They used a cowbell. They couldn't sell tickets. They had to give them away.

    Ali was sick, he had his bloodchanged several times by a series of quacks and he'd stopped taking the weight-loss pills that he felt had cost him against Holmes so he ballooned up to about 240lbs. He had been literally diagnosed with brain damage. The doctors that passed him to fight, who should all be beaten with bottles, diagnosed his slurred speech as "a psychosocial response" with no long-term implication. In reality his Parkinson's was already hard at work. It was an awful, awful parade.
     
  4. ipitythefool

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    Wad is an ATG. Although wasn't ATG level when Fury fought him. Windmill probably will get into HOF despite his best win being over an 80 year old Cuban.

    Fury does have a good resume but really needs to fight Usyk for his legacy.
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Is that Connor Benn laying eggs in your avatar?
     
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  6. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    What for would Wilder get into the HOF?

    And what resume does Fury have? A handful of top 10 opponents?
     
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  7. fruitandnutcase

    fruitandnutcase Member Full Member

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    I know there's an actual boxing HOF but I'll use my own thoughts

    I think you can make an argument Wlad was an ATG and Wilder is definitely a HOF, and that's it. I know Delboy has his fans but him and the Whytes of this world aren't HOF. They're not even champions. Cunningham isn't a HOF either

    Fury will be remembered for his Wlad win and Wilder trilogy which still dominates post-Klitschko heavyweight boxing. It's a good resume and I sometimes feel the Fury hate (which I am proudly part of) undermines his legitimate achievements, but for a bloke claiming to be X, Y and Z it is dog**** and people claiming to be true boxing fans should hold the man to a higher standard. Fury has had 6 title fights - 3 against the same bloke and one against a bloke who he had already beaten twice. He isn't fit to sniff Ali's or Lewis' pants
     
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  8. fruitandnutcase

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    His knockout % in title fights and continuous title defences is HOF worthy. HOF, in my opinion, is also somewhat down to context and era, and Wilder was fighting in the post-Wlad wasteland before Fury, AJ and Usyk did their thing, so it stands out better. I know a lot of his wins weren't against stellar opposition but I'm of the belief that a lot of the guys on SRR's or Archie Moore's records were club fighters. You respect the achievement for what it was instead of dissecting it like a butterfly. Dissecting resumes is for when you go hard like comparing Oscar to Canelo or something

    It's extremely subjective and the actual boxing HOF inducting a microscopic amount of fighters each year doesn't help
     
  9. cuchulain

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    I won't go into the merits of the case from the achievement, resume or 'eye-test' POV.
    Others have made the case in here already.

    I rank him at 10 all-time in the division.

    You cannot make a serious case for having him outside the top twenty.

    And unless there have been fewer than twenty ATGs ever in the division, the dude is without doubt an ATG.
     
  10. ipitythefool

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    Indeed it is. The clucking chicken himself.
     
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  11. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    Cos its boxing. Not saying it's right snd I think Windmill is a clown and a one tricky pony but he'll definitely get in.
     
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  12. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury did not even beat any top fighter in their prime.
     
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  13. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder does not belong anywhere near a legitimate HOF but this is pro boxing, so he's a certainty :-(.
     
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  14. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad is an ATG. Wilder is not near a hof
     
  15. Fogger

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