oh dear, you dont recall. then read the other thread poll again. but if you really cant manage that come back.
he is thus far a "questionable elite", where the jury is out on him. bt have no fear friend, he will cement that status soon with an elite win, plus more.
seeing as you cant look it up in the other thread sure, i like to help my incapable friends. groves x2 taylor pascal kessler
Pascal nor Groves where/are ever elite. Taylor is debatable as he had already lost to Pavlik twice and then got brutally KTFO in his next fight and effectively retired for a couple of years. Again I wouldn't class Taylor as elite. Kessler beat Froch and Froch had to gain revenge 3 years later. All in all no he hasn't beaten 5 elites, 1 elite that he had to rematch to get a draw.
of course Groves has a case for elite. He just finshed 2nd in the SMW unification. When Froch fnished 2nd in his SMW unification he was elite, on top of which he has elite scalps on his resume. Taylor is debatable? only to you pal is a guy who just beat an elite twice! What a joke. Pascal is the only questionable elite there. Its not different today just because it fits your agenda to be different, dont be a SALTY, pal.
Groves is not elite, he's never beaten an elite, has lost every time he's stepped up to face a true world champion level fighter outside of Degale when coming up.....who's Groves best win? Then judge that against his losses Froch, Jack, Smith. Pascal isn't debatable, he is not nor ever was elite. And going by your Taylor elite judgement, Kirkland Laing beat an ATG in Duran....was Laing by default an ATG or elite fighter?.....was he? Taylor was 3-2-1 going into the Froch fight in record since the Hopkins fight, the got KTFO in his next fight.....not elite I'm afraid.
Nah he wasn't, who had he beaten to prove such a point? It's not like he had dominant performances after the Froch fight, got beaten off Jack and now Smith.....unless you can prove otherwise?