How many fighters were part of the Fab Four?

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  1. Hands of Iron

    Hands of Iron #MSE Full Member

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    WTF man, don't even come like that **** is all legitimate. :yep Duran had carved out a legacy as arguably the greatest lightweight ever before any of those ****ers even got started. The fact he went the distance with peak Hagler is all the more evidence as to why Monzon would bore holes through him.
     
  2. Atlanta

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  3. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    He was a competitive welterweight who caught a green Leonard and can crusher Cuevas.

    One helluva lightweight though I give him that and a legit ATG. A rightful member of the Fab4 :happy
     
  4. Hands of Iron

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    A green Leonard who had run through half of the 147 scene and an ATG already. Don't ****in MAG1965 me, bro. :rofl
     
  5. KubratPuluv

    KubratPuluv Guest

    I'm sorry. I mis understand the post. Are you saying a peak Hagler will get dominated by Monzon? Or Monzon will dominate Duran?


    It is time for me to tell the truth about Carlito Monzon.
    monzon was no more than a very skilled fighter with a strong upper body and reliable stamina but slow hands.

    Thomas hearns is taller than monzon but with much faster hands and greater power. Sharper puncher at any rate making him more dangerous. i didn't see tommy's jab do anything to Hagler.

    Obviously Monzon was the better defensive wizard and knew how to utilize that to his full advantages especially in the later rounds.

    Still, the version of Hearns that Hagler fought and knocked out had much faster hands than Monzon. Monzon had slow to average hand speed, I fail to see how in the world he can tag Hagler with those hands.

    Hurting hagler with his left hand seem unrealistic and a pipe dream at best, I guess Monzon can attempt the damage with the right. Except Hagler's right jab will cause all kinds of issues with that scenario.

    Hagler had a 2nd and 3rd gear. Does Monzon have a 2nd gear? Comparable to Hagler's? It will be a good fight, but expect a brutal Ko in the later rounds from Marvin.
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  6. Hands of Iron

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    You misunderstood it. It was sensationalism based on some previous discussions with turbo, but he didn't take the bait. :lol: :verysad

    In any case, he would destroy Duran because he wouldn't acknowledge the machismo aura and treat him with such caution. The natural size difference is far too much. Monzon-Hagler is a very close and debatable fight, though it doesn't matter a whole lot since Monzon is greater. :D The Hagler who fought Hearns was atypical from what he was pretty much through his entire career. Tommy wasn't the same animal at 160 as he was at 147 when he was most dangerous or 154 when he peaked as an all-around fighter (Not saying he wasn't great or lethal though!) It was also his first trip up to 160 and he was very easily sucked into a war. Not that Hagler was planning on leaving him any choice knowing full well the chances of him outboxing Hearns were marginal at best despite his versatility but Tommy obliged to go all-in and it cost him; Worse for Hearns, he suffered a broken hand in the 1st round.

    Monzon isn't the type of guy who is going to let you dictate anything, be it from a physical, mental or technical aspect. Hagler was quicker of hand and foot, but not on nearly the same level of say a Robinson or Roy Jones who could likely give him absolute fits. Hagler could pull out a decision based on activity if he lands accurate and often enough, particularly with his shorter punches inside but I like Monzon to utilize his physical attributes, work his jab to control the distance and pace, mixing an assortment of right hands and power hooks with better accuracy. His right wasn't striking so much as it was simply debilitating over the course of a fight and he will land it enough imo. I've really got little doubt he's capable of weathering whatever Hagler may get inclined to bring at him. He too like Hagler, wasn't ever stopped in a fight. His chin is top level sturdy; his recuperative powers and ice cold resolve flat-out great. His motor didn't accelerate at a moments notice but instead gradually picked up steam, consistently pushing forward as the rounds passed and that was more-or-less by design: His preferred method and one he wasn't willing to deviate from or let anybody derail regardless of whether you had the edge in mobility, power or speed. More times than not, I see him taking a close decision but it's really a true pick 'em.
     
  7. DrMo

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    Excellent post

    Monzon is a very deceptive fighter imo, at 1st glance he doesnt appear to do anything exceptional. He isnt super fast or explosive & does nothing flashy.

    However, the more you watch the more impressive he looks. He's able to control range & dictate the pace of the fight against a variety of styles. He just breaks his opponents down with relentless precision & all the while his facial expression never changes, a cold blooded killer.
     
  8. Hands of Iron

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    :deal

    I had always been wildly impressed by his record and achievements, but getting into his style and coming to appreciate his abilities and methods took a little more time. I honestly think the polar opposite opinion on him amongst fans has less to do with us being some kind of hipster variety and more to do with people watching a couple minutes of footage and writing him off way too soon. He's definitely an acquired taste and likely won't be for everybody no matter what, though. Actually, that's probably for certain.
     
  9. Bladegunner

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    Ray Leonard
    Pernel whittiker
    Roy jones
    Floyd mayweather jr





    Lol
     
  10. DrMo

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    Agree with all of that, plus the wife-killing seems to pollute a lot of people's opinions on how great a fighter he was. If you have a short attention span, or expect guys to fight like a computer game then Monzon might seem a little dull & underwhelming.

    He was methodical but incredibly solid & if there were any flaws in your game, Monzon would eventually exploit them. It might take 2 rounds or 12 but he'd find a way.
     
  11. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    your thread topics are stupid so quit trying to be funny.... ****** troll
     
  12. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    :rofl :rofl

    Couldn't resist :smoke
     
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  14. Shogun Assassin

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    I can't tell if this is just a **** joke or a genuine question :think, that's the General forum for ya I guess.
     
  15. pejevan

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    Did someone forgot to add Pete Best?

    He was the original drummer of the Beatles, but he never boxed.

    So the answer is 5