How many fighters would blow Frazier out?

yea exactly tall guys who came to hit him not have a fight but hit him hard foreman didnt let him anywhere near his body he kept pushing him away.

and the liston comment he was to short (not a incredibly small man) he didnt have the size to keep the distance maybe a long reach but once frazier is indie thats it

 

In the case of Cooney, Gerry didn't have George's physical strength, and his handspeed left something to be desired, as did his ability to take a punch. Neither did Gerry have the sort of uppercut helpful against Joe. Smoke wouldn't have crumbled if Gerry stunned him as Cooney did others, but kept on coming. "Don't hook with a hooker" favors the faster and shorter punching Frazier heavily here. Joe could do significant work on Cooney's body in this one, and it would have been interesting to find out how Gerry responded.

 

WTF has this got to do with the thread btw? I have to agree that Lewis indeed is capable of getting Frazier out early, at least in theory. We are talking about the fact that he is one of the best combination punchers in HW history. His quality of chin, or lack thereof, has **** all to do with the thread.

Liston, Lewis, Foreman (obviously), Tyson, Louis, Jeffries, Marciano, Shavers, W Klitchsko, Bowe, Fitzsimmons.

Please note that I by no means favour all of the above over Frazier, just that they are IMO capable, in theory, of blowing him out early.

 

Because I did not vote, here are your answers. lol

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I've explained myself in my post..

 

The years since the 1970s have seen an increase in large, athletic hard-punching heavyweights similar to Foreman but in some cases even more deadly. Frazier might be in even more trouble against later heavyweights who hit harder than Foreman and possess greater handspeed in addition to being bigger like Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko.

 

I think Frazier's is vastly underrated on here. These detractors base it on two fights.

1. Bonavena I. I watched this fight earlier tonight, and this really isn't 'Joe Frazier'. His style was nothing like it later became, and his defence certainly wasn't. He was fighting off the jab, kept himself at distance and wasn't using his bob and weave defence. I don't really see how this fight is relevant when it comes to judging Frazier's chin either, because he walked into a good shot, got up quickly. When he went down a second time, he wasn't hurt in the slightest. Does it really show signs of a weak chin? No. No more than you could say Marciano had a weak chin. It was a flash knockdown and probably a push.

2. The Foreman fight was a massacre, but, again, this was NOT prime Frazier. He was fat, lazy and past it. Is this really worse than saying prime Holmes lost to Tyson? I genuinly think the Frazier against Foreman was further from his prime than Holmes was in 1988. I keep mentioning him when it comes to the first Frazier/Foreman fight, but really. Loook at how Joe Frazier has a hard fight with Ron Stander. Prime Frazier wouldn't have got hit half as many times as that version did against Stander. If you can really watch the Stander fight and think that that version of Frazier had a thing left in the tank, there really is no point in me debating it further.

Instead of focusing on his losses, look who Frazier took great shots from - There is quite a few good punches on there, and regardless of what their knockout ratio was, he often took punches clean.

He had a really good chin. I don't think any heavyweight "blows him out". Maybe stops him late, but nothing like his loss to Foreman.

 

I picked Lewis as one of my guys, for the record.

Lewis, I think gets too much credit for being a combination puncher. I think he put combinations together, but most good fighters do. I think he gets overlooked for his timing. He sometimes looked uncoordinated, as some big guys can, but his timing is what I was impressed by. That combination that knocked out Rahman was all about timing. It wasn't just because he put a couple of punches together.

 

Frazier was a courageous fighter for sure. Having a great heart and great stamina can prevent stoppage losses from running out of gas, or opting not to get up, but they really don't prevent a fighter from getting hurt by punches.

The interesting thing about the Ali_Frazier_Norton trilogies is Ali seemed to hurt Frazier more than Norton. I beleive Quarry stung Frazier more than Quarry stung Norton as well. Foreman smoked both of them. Norton gets grilled for having a glass jaw, but he also fought in more fights, fought past his prime more often, and had more matches with punchers in comparison to Frazier. A cursory comparison between the two shows Norton was stopped 4 times in 50 fights. Frazier was stopped 3 times in 37 fights. Who was down more as a pro? Frazier I think.

In boxing perception sometimes defines reality. Frazier had more guts and fire than Norton for sure, but looking back neither took punch well enough not to be viewed as suspect in the durability department. I think Frazier took a better punch than Norton did, by a small but noticeable margin, but my above points stand.

It is hard to say how many fighters would blow Frazier out. Foreman obviously is the template for such a conversation because he did it. So perhaps the best answer is a few big punchers could.

 

Too many to list them all.

 

Foreman would destroy him each and every time.

Liston, Lewis and possibly Tyson KO him early.

 

Norton fought Ali in 1973, 1973, and 1976. Frazier fought Ali in 1971, 1974, and 1975. Essentially both Frazier and Norton fought the same Ali. If there is a difference, Ali had yet to under go his style from a boxer to a counter puncher / clincher when Frazier beat Ali in 1971. I beleive Norton damaged Ali more so than Frazier. After all Norton broke Ali jaw, and should have edged the series 2-1 vs perhaps the most accomplished heavy weight boxer of all time. Also, there is no doubt that Ali hurt Frazier more so than Norton. Ali had Frazier shaken up in round two of the second fight, and TKO's in the third fight.

I do not recall seeing Quarry hurt Norton, but he did back Norton up on the ropes a few times. Quarry also had Frazier on the ropes a few times too.

How can you say this? Both Norton and Frazier fought Ali, Quarry, Stander, and Foreman. Aside from the above reference fights, Norton fought better competition. Larry Holmes, Ernie Shavers, and Jimmy Young come to mind. I don't think you can debate that Frazier fought better competition. Norton's resume is better. Keep in mind Frazier had a better amateur career. Norton picked up boxing in the american armed forces, and turned professional at a relatively later age in his era.

Norton was knocked out worse, but then again I Frazier did not fight bombers like Shavers or Cooney when he was older. If Frazier fought punchers like this in his mid to late 30's, he would be knocked out just the same. Which big puncher did Frazier face besides Foreman? I can’t think of any. Norton first loss to Garcia was more stamina related than durability related.

I am impressed. You know Frazier well. To be honest I did not count all the knockdowns, but Frazier was down on his knees to journeyman Mike Bruce. So Frazier was down a grand total of 11 times. Norton was down 12 times. The point to consider is Norton fought more punchers, had more fights, and fought outside of his prime more often. In the grand context of things, Frazier only going down one less time is not as impressive. I do think Smokin' Joe was a tad more durable even if he swelled up easier, but the degrees of durability between the two is rather close. I have most of Frazier's fights on tape. He was buzzed a few times some less than famous fighters. Stander buckled Frazier’s knees. So did Bugner, and Ramos. Norton fought Stander and beat him more impressively than Frazier did.