How many from Robinson's Ledger Could/Would've Beaten Jones Jr?

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  1. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Starting at 160 and up?

    Jones vs:

    Lamotta
    Fullmer
    Turpin
    Maxim
    Olson
    Graziano
    etc.


    Unfortunately, we can't discuss Jones Jr. vs Burley, because, well, y'know. :verysad
     
  2. Lester1583

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  3. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I was watching through some old stuff and I honestly don't see many giving Roy that many problems. A lot of Iron Chinned G's in that era, but I could see Roy turning all of them into vanilla pudding.
     
  4. Lester1583

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    Considering Burley's style one could have argued about him giving Jones a good fight.

    But...;)
     
  5. DaveK

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    LaMotta and Fullmer could conceivably give Jones some headaches based on the chin and pressure factors, not to mention both were immensely strong and decent punchers.

    Those are the only two I didn't immediately write off in my mind...
     
  6. ETM

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    I think Turpin at the time he fought Robinson would gve Roy Jones alot of trouble. He was big strong and awkward. His jab was quick and powerful. Just an odd style. If you watch the films of those fight wtih Ray Randy Turpin had good speed. He had uncommon upperbody strength for a middleweight.

    After Robinson cracked his chin in that famous fight at the Polo Grounds he was never the same. Turpin had mental problems and fell off pretty quickly.

    Boxing is different from other sports. At his peak Turpiin was a nightmare to deal with. Watch those film of both of those fight with SRR. Turpin was impressive.

    Roy had speed to burn bout he was also somwhat untested at `60.

    I think Roy could win a deciion over LaMotta. He have some bumps and bruises though.

    Jones would beat Olson.

    Jones would beat Graziano.

    Now the problem is a 36 year old Jones has to face Fullmer. He`s gonna have trouble. Once agan a stong, aggressive awkward guy wih an iron chin. If Roy lays on the ropes to rest Fullme is gonna have a field day.

    Same thing with Basillio. Roy Jones legs were not the same. He`s gonna get hit more and have to trade. 37 years old Roy Jones reflexes were dulling. Basillio had nice inside sklls. He threw nice tight combintions.

    Those are tough fights.
     
  7. turbotime

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    Turpin was the first one that came to my mind out of them as well because he was awkward.

    A poster mentioned Lamotta/Fullmer, but eh, really straight forward fighters, and not the hardest of punchers.
     
  8. DaveK

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    Griffin wasn't the hardest puncher either, but he gave Jones all kinds of trouble first time around... I kmow, that wasn't at MW, but he wasn't really tested at that weight.

    Those guys were strong punchers, even if they weren't knockout punchers. Nobody gets through a fight with either guy without feeling like they've been through a meat grinder.
     
  9. turbotime

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    Why would Jones be 36/37 yrs old fighting these fights?
     
  10. LittleRed

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    Because that's how old Robinson was. Its unfair to let a prime Jones run roughshod over these guys. A younger Robinson does much better in the late '50's.
     
  11. turbotime

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    This isn't a comparison on how well Jones WOULD do vs how well Robinson DID do. I'm not even factoring how well they did vs Robinson in.

    I'm talking style wise, these guys against the Jones that fought at middleweight.
     
  12. LittleRed

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    Well then the answer is damned good.
     
  13. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    How old was Ray against Maxim? Early 30s? Jones would cream Maxim IMO
     
  14. LittleRed

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    Well Ray was a natural welterweight. For Roy he would have to take on a cruiser of comparable talent.
     
  15. The Mongoose

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    Not certain of that.

    Maxim was a crafty HW contender with a quick jab who gave a prime Walcott considerable trouble in all of their meetings . This isn't no John Ruiz, who was good in his own right. He also enjoyed something like a 20 lb weight advantage on the already smaller Sugar Ray.