How Many Gift Decisions Did Sven Ottke Actually Get ?

I don't really care about how many gift decisions Ottke got, I will always love him for being the first to shatter Anthony Mundine's glass jaw:

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I actually have his career on DVD.
The Reid fight was bad.
Brewer I don't know the first one was extremely close the second no.
Tate cut him with a punch in the first fight so if he couldn't have continued he should have lost as it was not a headbutt.
The rematch Ottke won.
Glen Johnson fight Ottke deserved that decision and it wasn't even questionable.
Same with Mitchell fight.

 

Just curious since you have seen all of his fights. Which fight do you think was his best performance? I kind of lean towards the 2nd Brewer fight but I definitely haven't seen all of his matches.

 

Jesus Christ, some people need to get spectacles as a matter of urgency. That guy should change his user name to Adelaide Byrd.

 

You know I thought the Johnson bout was a pretty good performance.
Also Butler bout was pretty good.
Maybe Thomas Tate 2 bout as well.
I'd have to watch again but honestly the Glenn Johnson bout stood out for me.

 

You know what boxer I have been looking at is Darius Michalczewski. Early career he was a pretty strong fighter who was well conditioned.
Somewhere in his career someone started teaching him how to implement the jab as part of his arsenal and I gotta tell to you he has one of the best jabs I've ever seen - fast straight and very powerful.
It became his main offensive weapon and he would just batter opponents with it.

 

I have not watched all of his fights, (as I missed these vs. Michalczewsky, Maske, Moorer, Veit and Tarver), but all of his (professional) title bouts, and his performance against Arsen Vojnovic was pretty decent in Light-Heavyweight, where the opponent was more experienced particular over 12 rounds and also undefeated.
Most entertaining were these vs. Daniel Nardiello and James John Crawford, also was against former WBO champion Armand Krajnc in his last fight ever a very good performance where he won every round. He also outlassed Silvio Branco, who won in England against Robin Reid (which shows that who had not the level of Ottke).

By the way the referee in Nigel Benn vs. Gerald McCleallan was rather corrupt than in Sven Ottke vs. Robin Reid; the first one was just disgusting and one competitor got not only robbed of a victory and second divison title, but also of his health/ life; that referee ignord about hundred rabbit punches, which probably caused the permanent brain damage and also the aid of the crowd to get Benn back into the ring, which means it was actual a first round knockout.

 

There is a reason why Sven Ottke was rated on place 2 in Super-Middleweight by The Ring Magazine around 2002, just behind Roy Jones Jr.
He achieved a lot more than Ward (who had a similar style as him), Toney and Froch, in this divison.

 

Of course it is easier to copy paste other opinions (mainstream) than to watch the fights and make an own one/ score instead...

But you can trust me, my scoring-abilities are superior than these of Cst, HamburgBuam, Intentionalbutt and George among others...

 

I would say Ward was much more talented then Ottke so I think that's a little unfair.
And he beat better competition as well.
But alot of people fail to realize Ottke was older when he finally turned pro.

 

Cherman detected!

 

I've noticed a bit of a parabolic curve developing amongst fans with Ottke in recent times. He was almost unanimously derided during his career and immediately after it, perhaps (we'll get to that) a touch unfairly. As a result it seems to be there's now a temptation to go too far in the opposite direction as a way of compensating for that. I've seen guys who really know their boxing and whose opinions are well worth listening to stating how much they respect him, how he's unfairly underated and possibly even a great of sorts.

But nah, I say screw all that!

In relative terms (considering his numbers, title defences without context, esteem he's suddenly being held in these days etc.) the guy was a fraud. Aside from Mitchell he never beat a genuinely solid title-level fighter legitimately and / or impressively in my opinion.

Were they all complete highway jobs? No, although some definitely were. If you want to argue that some of the fights written off as gifts in his favour were relatively close and could have gone either way, then fair enough. But here's the thing - they never did go the other way. I wouldn't begrudge him a couple of his bigger wins if they were rightly balanced with a couple of defeats.

What's more, he was such a moaning, whining fighter. Always spoiling and fouling his way through without so much as a warning from the referee - yet always quick to complain to the ref when he felt there was an infraction against him, such as the time when Reid had the sheer temerity to punch him in the face during the fight.

The fights against Reid and Johnson in particular only became vaguely close (close enough for his apologists to trot out the 'could have gone either way' defence) because the pair of them visibly lost heart, got frustrated at the one-sided officiating and were wary of letting their hands go and engaging lest they be disqualified as the fights wore on.

I've got nothing against economical styles but, you can still appreciate someone's amateur pedigree and pretty jab while still expecting them to at least be half-decent to watch every once in a while. His fights were torturous, the officiating usually awful and I have no nostalgia for watching him muffle and tippy-tap his way through, doing just enough content in the knowledge that it would yield the hometown decision.

.....Sorry guys. Rant over.