His "win" against Taylor and "majority draw" against Whitaker qualifies among the worst robberies I've ever seen. Did Chavez get any more gifts and how much a part did Don King play in your opinion?
Second match against Frankie Randell where he wanted the match stopped because of a cut... And it was, on his behalf. They almost screwed Frankie in the first Chavez fight as well. Almost.
i watched the first randall fight yesterday and was surprised at a ****ing split decision after chavez suffered a knockdown and 2 point deductions,at least the right man won though. great fight though,an overlooked classic
the taylor stoppage was a gift for taylor. if the fight had not been stopped there would of been a rematch and chavez would of retired Taylor the referee was not to know exactly how many seconds were left. it only takes a split of a split second to land a killing blow the pea fight was a gift and randall 2 was
He did get a rematch 4 years later. The ref must have known that there was very little left, and Taylor didn't look in that bad a shape. He looked a bit dazed, but by no means gone. Terrible stoppage.
You want to know something. I actually thought Kamau won that fight as well after watching the entire fight, although not scoring each round; initial viewing. I'll need to watch re-view and score it properly. I just never spoke out about it as virtually nobody else has said it.
Taylor didn't look in bad shape? He was holding himself up with the ropes, swollen grotesquely, didn't answer the ref twice and after the fight said that Steele didn't even ask him if he wanted to continue. I honestly think that stoppage was correct. The ref doesn't keep the time, and can only have a rough idea of how long was left. If their was 10 seconds left, Chavez probably would have knocked him out.
But the red light on the corner ringpost behind Taylor signalled the last 10 seconds of the round. Steele should have been aware of that. However, Steele could argue that he was soley focused on the fighter going down, then taking the count and looking at Taylor's condition afterwards. All that requires focused attention. Taylor never awnsered Steele when he asked him "are you ok" twice, as Lou Duva jumped up on the ring apron at the opposite side of the ring. I'd say this was Taylor's fault as he choose to be distracted, rather than Duva being to blame. He should have knew after he got to his feet he would have been asked the questions Steele asked, instead he was more interested in what ever Duva was trying to do or say to him.
I'd imagine Steele was focused on the fighter more than the flash, after all, his job is to protect the fighters from severe harm. I know if I was in his position, I'd by completely focused on Taylor, who looked terrible. I think that must also say something about his condition. If he was not seriously hurt, I'm sure he could have dealt with both. Duva was also to blame for his bad advice, although I suppose you could argue that he was concerned about getting twisted. You could argue all night about it, but I personally think that it was the right decision. I can see why people dispute it given the amount of time left, so it's not worth arguing constantly over. It's one of those fights that will forever be discussed.
Funnily enough, I tend to agree with you. Steele made the call at the time and I'm sure if he knew only 2 secs were remaining he would have let Taylor continue. But this would also spark controversy, for obvious reasons. Steele would have had to administer the same procedure and ask Taylor "are you ok" and he never responded anyway, so even if he knew 2 secs were remaining everything is in Taylor's hands. If Steele had let Taylor continue with no response then the Chavez camp would have went crazy. Don King probably looking to get the SD overturned to a TKO for Chavez.
Wow Robbi!atsch As a fellow JMM fan, a post like this is really dissapointing.....it makes one wonder how you actually score fights. You thought Kamau won after watching the entire fight, but you did'nt score it!:huh Is that how you scored Chavez-Whitaker as well? .....and about you never speaking out against it because nobody else has......I think that one of the weaknesses of this forum as far as debate is concerned......people actually dont have the guts to state an opinion that is contrary to how the masses feel on an issue. .....they're afraid to get ridiculed. Btw, the Kamau fight was competitive, but Chavez clearly won that fight. When the fight took place there was'nt any controversy with the verdict what so ever. .....its the pity that someone that holds a grudge on Chavez has to throw the Kamau fight and others like it in the fray of controversy, when there was none, actually zero controversy when that fight happened. The next thing I'm going to hear is that you thought Tony Lopez beat Chavez as well!:nut
For you to reply in the manner you did shows that my words "I thought Kamau beat Chavez" were all that you needed to see. Nothing else in my post mattered, it seems. I did explain that I never scored the fight properly. However, having watched the full 12 rounds I thought Kamau won. Don't you ever do that Divac or do you score every fight you view? I'll tell you one thing about me and scoring fights. I never score fights when watching them live. The recent exception being Marquez-Pacquaio II, which I happened to score 8 rounds to 4 for Marquez. You just dealt with and replied to a rather hazey and uncertain conclusion on my take on Chavez v Kamau. You should have taken it with a pinch of salt.