How many guys came to win vs Mike Tyson

There's an argument that could be made for that viewpoint.

However, I nowadays tend towards favoring the idea that Holmes did actually believe he could win (until his legs stopped working).

 

I actually think Spinks came to win. Tyson was just too much and caught him with an uppercut he didn't see coming.

 

I have to disagree with those two.

Tucker was winning the first four rounds but had a wrist injury. And as far as Holmes, I never respected him more than after the Tyson fight. For a guy who had been out of the ring almost two years and was much older, like 15 years older, Holmes did real good against a prime Tyson. They came to win.

 

I would say Mitch Green was the first guy who actually stood upto Tyson and actually tried to win.

 

This is happening for several reasons. First, expectations for Tyson were truly enormous at one point. Exaggerated. His fame was so immense that people began to expect him to outclass every opponent. Meanwhile, his downfall was more spectacular than anything he accomplished. People remember you mainly for your most high-profile and recent fights, and Tyson's most famous fights were the scandal of the century and the sensation of the century. The clash of reality and expectations was a terrible contrast; no athlete has disappointed like Tyson.

Add to this the fact that his relationships with publicists were simply difficult – Teddy Atlas, Larry Merchant, Bert Sugar, and many others. Tyson was not a pleasant, articulate guy. Publications and statements about him were often subjectively negative, but they found fertile ground. PR in the world of sports is incredibly important, and ultimately, it was disastrous for Mike. I think historically Tyson is ridiculously underrated, including on this forum.

 

I think that's a reaction to casuals overrating him like he was the best thing out since slice bread making every excuse in the world for him. On this forum tho, Mike is properly rated as a Top 10 HW of all time. Still, some false narratives, like "Tyson lost to everybody who came to win against him" come up from time to time.

 

The Truth came to win in 1989. He had the tools to do what Bus did except that vunerablity to a lefthook counter. Williams believe he was gonna beat Tyson right up to the moment he got caught.
Mentally he was there to win.

 

It is said that intellectuals solve problems, where geniuses prevent them. But they also cause them. One of the great marks of a true genius is problems they can cause on a grander scale than someone like Steve, the ASDA kid who just keeps trying to stare at his own nostrils when nobody's looking. Can you cause much, much bigger problems than Steve? Well, you might be a genius. And, in that, you can prevent problems, by creating so much chaos that other geniuses are actually discouraged from creating their own problems, because they see what you did and it's like, whoa, how do you even top that then?

 

Reggie Gross came out throwing bombs - he certainly wasnt intimidated. Got stopped in the opener but at least let his hands go and landed a few shots

 

His Ring Walk gave me a different impression. Like, he was walking the Green Mile.