How many heavies in the last 25 years could beat Joe Frazier, Does it hurt ALI?

atsch Evander beat Frazier? Sorry i can't see it. Evander was great but why would he beat Frazier?

Bert Cooper who was a Bootlegged Frazier had Holyfield on ***** street, and he ain't no Frazier.

Holyfield liked to brawl, so how would he beat Frazier?

If Evander fought Frazier the way he beat Tyson in the first fight he loses.

That bullying style he used on Mike ain't working against Frazier.

Evander ain't a runner, and he ain't staying away from Joe for 12-15 rounds so why do people think he could beat Frazier? :blood

A 190 pound Muhammad Dwight Qawi had Evander pissing blood after their first battle, what would Frazier do?

It's not like Evander is a massive man, he was 208 when he won the title and 205 when he lost it.

Even against the 250 pound old slow Foreman, Evander brawled at times and was shaken, if he does that against the Frazier that beat Ali, why would Holyfield win?

Ali from FOTC was better than Evander ever was, and that was not even a prime Ali.

:scaredas: Hell, even the Manilla Frazier beats Evander.

 

Even if Evan can use steroids?

 

lmao :rofl

 

but it contradicts your argument.you seem to rate foreman as the only past heavy with the size and physique to live with todays "multi talented monsters" yet he was outsmarted by one of your officially classified 200 pound bums.

 

Tyson is a bad matchup for Smokin Joe and would KO him early. Frazier struggled against the biggest fighters, combine that with Lewis being great at defending left hook, power, jab and you have a Lewis win as well.

I would pick Frazier to beat Holyfield, and Holmes-Frazier would be a war but I'd lean towards Larry. None of todays fighters beat Frazier.

Only 3 fighters in my opinion defeat Frazier in the last 25 years. Rahman would get utterly destroyed by Joe, along with many of the other guys you listed.

 

Yeah, so? nearly every heavy has his day where he is "outsmarted" by someone else. Means not much considering Foreman's whole career record. Moreover that's outside of this topic here.

 

On a seperate note, Larry Holmes and George Foreman dispute the claims made by posters that modern fighters are simply too big, strong for previous fighters.

Both of these men came back when they were fat grandfathers, and were able to beat many top contenders of the 90s. Imagine what a peak Holmes, and Foreman would of done.

 

it doesn't matter what weight Patterson was when he started his career. Before, during and after his prime he was a heavyweight. Simple as that. he was a small heavyweight, sure, but he was still the lineal heavyweight champion of the world.

Since when has Butterbean been a strong fighter? Name these fighters he mauled around the ring, please.

Stop going on about this absolutely stupid bums/non-bums thing.

Or strength. What makes you think Jeffries wasn't as strong as Peter?

Toney beat Holyfield, Ruiz (Although that was changed), Guinn and deserved to beat Rahman. The first Peter fight was a joke of a decision. They are all good accomplishments, I think. If he had got the correct decision every time, his record at ehavyweight would have been good.

 

:rofl Did someone a few pages back say Michael Moorer would have beat Frazier?

Oh my Lord :think If Moorer can go life and death with a poorman's Frazier in Bert Cooper, how does he beat Frazier?

Remember Cooper was a blown-up Cruiserweight?

Remember Moorer was a blown-up Light-Heavyweight?

Who has Moorer ever Knocked out?

What giant Heavy's has Moorer beaten?

I can't believe people named Rahman, and bunch of Eastern Europeans as victors over Frazier when those guys have never achieved anything in their careers.

All i hear is "SIZE".

Apart from Dick-wadimir (maybe) i can't see any of those guys beating Frazier.

Lewis (yes) Tyson (maybe), but Corrie Sanders? :tong

Outside of Dick-wadimir, who has Sanders ever beaten? :bart

 

If this is what Foreman and Holmes say, THEN IT IS DISPROVEN BY THEIR PERFORMANCE:

Larry Holmes has not beaten a single high quality boxer in the 90ies, except Ray Mercer. Instead Holmes was defeated by Oliver McCall, Holyfield and Brian Nielsen in the 80ies & 90ies. Whereas he was UNBEATEN prior 1986. ALL of Holmes 6 defeats are from 1986 on.

George Foreman's statement is probably true for him, since Foreman boxed bums mostly (his non-bum:bum ratio is really bad unlike Ali's for example), so if you compare bums of the 70ies and bums of the 80ies they will be approximately equally weak. But again his least KOs and most losses he has in the 80ies although he fought MORE fights in the 70ies. So again his statement is tainted by his opinion and doesn't represent his real life performances.

 

Maybe because he was past his best in the early 80's. Holmes never lost when he was in his prime.

 

Patterson had JUST ONE FIGHT where he was 200+. Stop going around and claiming that he was a fast heavyweight. He was a fast cruiser, if at all.

I should have added an "irony smiley" to make my comment clear.

Stop going around assuming that beating bums means much. YOU HAVE to delete bums from the record to get a first clear picture. Otherwise you would think that LaMar Clark was good. If you want to know how good a boxer is check his record with QUALITY OPPOSITION, not 55 bums.

Oh, nothing, except that he hasn't KOed a single heavyweight.

Still doesn't make Toney a great heavy. A great boxer probably, but great heavy? Not yet.

 

Yes, but whatever he was he cannot claim that fighters of 80ies are not better than of 70ies when he keeps LOSING against 80ies fighters and kept winning against 70ies.

This is the same delusion as Ray Mercer stating that Klitschko (TKO6) hit him less hard than Lennox (MD12). It's simply disproven by the facts.

 

Sanders is a strange case because it seems that he performs well AGAINST TALL heavies. So Sanders may fail to beat Frazier indeed.