How many heavyweights could beat the version of Muhamad Ali that Joe Frazier fought?

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    How many heavyweights would have beaten the version of Muhamad Ali that Joe Frazier beat in the fight of the century?

    My guess is not too many.
     
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    Very few in my opinion. Of course, I won't say none because I personally believe that the best version of Ali was pre-exile. A peak Lewis or peak Holmes, or peak Tyson might have potentially beaten him, but I say this with no real conviction.
     
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  3. Dostoevsky

    Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! Full Member

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    Prime Mike Tyson.
     
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  4. Sonny's jab

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    Ken Norton
     
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  5. ThePlugInBabies

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    foreman, no doubt in my mind that he busts joe up badly any time they meet.
     
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  6. mr. magoo

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    The question of the thread was " How many heavyweights could beat the version of Ali, that Frazier beat.
     
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  7. yancey

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    Most likely no one.
     
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  8. PhillyPhan69

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    Based on all of Tyson's victories over ATG's ????
     
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    Exactly..There is no doubt in my mind that Ali in 71 would knock out any version of Tyson. I can't see where these Tyson backers come from. He never finsihed a fight when taking any real punishment and they think he is going to finish with Ali. its a joke.
     
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  10. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    marciano, louis, liston, dempsey all beat 1971 ali. oscar bonavena gave ali hell.
     
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  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Please.

    Bonavena was only the second fight that Ali had in 3.5 years, and do you really think that he was as physically or mentally prepared for that fight as he was for the FOTC?

    Besides, saying that Marciano, Louis, Liston or Dempsey would beat him just because Bonavena gave him a workout isn't saying much. There were plenty of guys who troubled those champions who weren't anywhere on par with a 1971 Ali.
     
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  12. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I highly doubt that. Norton managed to beat an underprepared and out of shape Ali. When Ali was in shape for the rematch, he won the fight.

    And he was much better in '71 than he was in '73 for the Norton rematch. Norton was at his peak yet lost. I don't see how he's going to beat a prepared, FOTC Ali. He'll always give him loads of trouble, but not too much to beat him.

    I don't think many heavyweights could beat that Ali. Although he was beaten, he gave a great account of himself, had to dig deep, deep and showed more than he ever did before.
     
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  13. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    my reason for them beating a 71 ali is not because of the bonavena fight
     
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  14. ironchamp

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    It based on Tyson's style....
     
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  15. C. M. Clay II

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    What do you think of Mike Tyson beating that version Suzie?
     
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