How many HW champions meet U.S. Army weight requirements?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very good point.
     
  2. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Right. Perhaps that's why the army chart is a bit more generous than the BMI charts?

    Interesting that the majority of champions were within this for most of last century.

    Most champions before the 1980s are within the US army weight requirements. I don't know why that is.

    Muhammad Ali with a height of 75" at age 17-20 according to Army requirements he would be allowed to be a maximum of 206lb. Between the ages of 21-27 he is allowed a maximum of 212, 28-39 yrs he can afford a max of 217 and over 40 a max of 220. If you look at the important fights Ali was in shape for he was within this level.

    Joe Louis, Max Schmeling, Gene Tunney and Jack Dempsey all listed at 6'1" or 73" are allowed maximum weights to enter the army for the same age ranges of 195lb, 200, 205, 208. They were each within this.

    Obviously there was Primo Carnera who was off the chart, but even to the 1980s many champions are within the current military guidelines.

    George Foreman at 217 was bang on the maximum weight for his height and age when he beat Joe Frazier.

    Shorter champions like Marciano and Floyd Patterson were also within these maximum guidelines for a 71" height. 185-197. Joe Frazier a little over.

    Then we come to Mike Tyson and David Tua...

    By Military standards, Lennox Lewis, Rid**** Bowe and the Klit brothers should never have been over 232lb until age 40!
     
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  4. lufcrazy

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    Well luckily for them they weren't in the fukin US military, they were HW boxers.
     
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  5. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    I am quite certain Choklab is trolling with this thread.
    Either that or he has some underlying issues.
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    oh I agree. There is absolutely no need for a heavyweight to meet these regulations at all. Just find it interesting that at one time, when the training was different, more often than not heavyweights fell within this.

    Obviously all the points made about why this used to happen is not as interesting to many as the reasons why this is no longer the case.

    And the biggest reason that nobody has come up with is that athletes can often go over healthy weight guidelines for their height and be extremely healthy and fit. It's just that they trained to be that way.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    Aside from you, I don't think anyone is interested whether a current HW champion would be classed as healthy by the US army.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    How the **** did Bowe get into Marine Core training?
     
  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    He must not have done, it's a media conspiracy.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Seriously though, i wonder if he trained down or if the whole thing was just a publicity stunt by the marines. That would be a shame.
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I've just said it's not important because a HW champion doesn't need to meet these regulations. HW champions are free to train themselves into being as big as they want.
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Exactly.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Exactly what you lunatic?
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Bowe, however, had gone to the Marine Reserves with bugles blowing, having declared in December, shortly after defeating Andrew Golota for the second time when Golota was disqualified for low blows, that joining the Corps was a dream.

    "I want to be part of the elite," Bowe had said.

    To accommodate him, the Marines had to waive weight, age and dependent requirements:

    * At Bowe's height, 6-feet-5, a recruit can weigh no more than 230 pounds. Bowe weighed 250-plus when he reported to Parris Island.

    * A recruit can be no older than 28. Bowe is 29.

    * A Reserve recruit can have no more than three dependents. Bowe and his wife, Judy, have five children.

    According to the Marines, recruiters had long talks with Bowe, emphasizing the difficulty of what he would be going through.

    "We had him at the depot, watching to see what was going on," DeMar said.

    Still, Bowe declared his desire to join as a reservist, which committed him to 12 weeks at Parris Island, three years of active Reserve duty and five years in the inactive Reserves.

    "It's something I wanted to do before I get too old," he said. Younger recruits "might run a little faster, but I'll run longer."

    He never had to run more than 1 1/2 miles, the beginning distance for a recruit.
     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Ah, well done choklab you posted something of interest.

    I had a quick rummage myself and he was actually only 3lbs over the required weight in his second fight with Golota (the closest one to his joining). So i he'd bothered to get himself fin shape he could have made it in no bother, but apparently that was too much trouble to fulfil "his dream".
     
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