How many HW champions meet U.S. Army weight requirements?

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes, I kind of felt sorry for Bowe at the time. It was obviously some kind of cry for help toward gaining some sort of structure in his life. I think it would have been good for him. I agree, He certainly could have made that weight.
     
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    And the bigger they can move functionally, the better they usually are.
     
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  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes, I agree with that. If a heavyweight makes himself bigger and can't move, he's in trouble.

    But like you say, The ones who can make themselves bigger and still can move (despite this) will be much harder to beat than the guy who can't move.
     
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    Bellew Vs Haye.
     
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    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You dont DRAW anything...if we use common sense( i know thats difficult here) we USE the era of what was the guidelines in THAt era......

    OBVIOUSLY the guidlines are changing as generations become bigger unless you still think no one of Foremans height should weigh more of less than 220 or whatever it was THEN ???lmao

    My dad fought at 115 ...do you think my NATURAL 155 at his age body /height can get to that weight???What about my 185 pound body now? lol..do you think my 9% body fat ( ALOT FOR ME even at my age which is 43) is out of shape at 5'8 ? lol
     
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  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm a bit unsure to what the disagreement is in this thread.

    Aren't we all basically agreed that:

    1. HWs are bulkier (have higher height/weight-ratio) today than before say the 80's, and

    2. this is because training has generally changed somewhat with things like for example interval running and weight training becoming a larger part, and PEDs being used more?
     
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  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Exactly correct. Training has changed dramatically. An athlete can now be supremely fit and strong even though he is on the unhealthy side of a BMI chart or would not meet military height to weight requirements.

    Under traditional methods these over developed athletes still can meet what in the general population is regarded healthy weight to height guidelines or Army intake requirements.

    It has nothing to do with the world getting bigger, evolution, nor is it necessarily entirely down to PEDs. It's to do with tailored diets and training programs to develop more size than was considered preferable in earlier eras.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    What is your proof for this absolute statement?
     
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  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Like I said on the other thread, 210 pound heavyweights got better. They had been around before they just got better. It was a combination of a lot of factors I am happy to go into but it was not, in my opinion, evolution or people outside of boxing getting bigger. All these sizes of guys were in boxing before.

    It's more about realising advantages. For measures from the future to make things possible.

    When those 210 guys got better those 210 guys superseded the 190 guys. And when those guys were the best there was also 230 guys around too. Those 230 guys had to get better though. And Eventually they did.

    Sports learnt a lot about individual diets and individual training to get more out of bigger looking guys. It's not just PEDs. But I imagine this realisation became more of a factor and began to benefit different types of boxers.

    I also think Amateur boxing teams selecting the tallest guys with the longest arms for their weight also means more of these kinds of boxers wind up with the Gold medals and get recruited into the pros.
     
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  11. Bokaj

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    I'm still a bit confused by the discussion. Perhaps I should read the OP again.

    I'd agree that the population in general has become taller, and that seems likely to explain at least a good part of why HWs generally have become taller as well.

    But this thread, as I understand it, isn't about height but about height/weight ratio. And that shouldn't change because height changes. Rather the question should be why weight has increased more than height among HWs, and aren't we all generally in agreement as to why that probably is?
     
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  12. choklab

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    You would think so wouldn't you, but in lots of discussions, one side will say the guy from the present is big boned, that he could not possibly be any lighter than 240 if he fought in the past, even when a current weight chart says he should be 210.

    Athletes build up to an off the chart weight now and can be healthy doing it.
     
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  13. reznick

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    Chok, what conclusions, if any, have you drawn from this interesting pattern of the recent HW crop out-sizing the US Army requirements?

    I do find this interesting and worth exploring more.
     
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    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    9% body fat..... You must smoke some strong **** other there pal.
     
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  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Height/weight radio has increased among the general population as well. That much is true. But this is because of increased obesity.

    We know that weights are used more in boxing today than pre 80's. We know this increases mass.

    We know PED's are used more in boxing today than pre 60-70's. We know they produce mass.

    We know interval running or even swimming is used more today for conditioning. I'm less sure in this case, but think this increases mass as well.

    Taking this into consideration it can hardly be a surprise that HWs are bulkier today.
     
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