How many HW champions meet U.S. Army weight requirements?

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  1. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Well, yes.

    Most big time heavies in the last 30 years have been carrying artificial weight.
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Thank you.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Because size is an advantage in boxing. Because heavyweights have been getting steadily bigger at a rate in excess of the growth of the size of the general population for that reason. Because as soon as the talent pool of very big men reaches a point where there is an overlap with athletic excellence it was inevitable that these men would be the heavyweight champion for the most part.

    This was not true at a time when the overlap between athletic excellence as size was far less pronounced due to smaller average population size.
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    What's "artificial weight" ?
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I agree. As you say they are deliberately overdeveloping themselves as an actual tactic. Like sumo wrestling.
     
  6. McGrain

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    I guess it means, if you don't mind my answering, weight that means the fighter in question isn't trained to the absolute quick in terms of lower weight divisions. So, at 135lbs, some fighters are crammed in, some fighters need to "put on weight" to make that limit, and some are in the division that is most comfortable for them in terms of the training they do to assume peak condition for boxing.

    So if Lennox Lewis's "to the quick" weight is 230, he is said by these posters to be carrying "artificial weight" if he trains weights or holds fat in order to be 245.
     
  7. McGrain

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    Yes.
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Like Sumo Wrestling.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No.
     
  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    But what was Lennox Lewis's real "at the quick" weight?

    Experts who scientifically compiled the weight requirements for the American military regard a maximum weight for somebody as tall as Lennox to be no more than 218lb at 18 to 21 years of age! They demand a 223lb maximum between the 21-27 age range and a "maxed out" 229lb throughout the 27 years to 39 years old range.

    These are considered maximum weights for somebody as tall as Lennox Lewis not "at the quick" or "drained right down" weights.

    Now, Lennox never boxed over the age of 40 years old yet in retirement, rather than blow up beyond "244lb" he appears to have rather slimmed right down.
     
  11. McGrain

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    I don't know for sure - nor do you.

    And what conclusion do you draw from that? Relative to boxing, I mean.
     
  12. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Roids, weight lifting, and fat. They are either not in shape or they have put on quantities of muscle mass which the human body was not made to naturally accommodate on their frames.
     
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  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I imagine Lennox "at the quick weight" could be simular to that of a simular sized fighter who trained under more traditional methods at an earlier time. like say, Ernie Terrell. Would that be fair?


    The conclusion I draw from this is that the U.S military obviously put a lot more actual scientific research into discovering healthy natural maximum weights for each inch of height than possibly any one individual could within the boxing fratenity.

    Even if they only arrived at these stats simply as a "rule of thumb" kind of guide there must be a weight of evidence to back this up.

    Relative to boxing, I think the U.S army weight requirements is a good starting point to consider where a fighter of a certain height used to be (weight wise) under traditional boxing training methods since, by and large, for many years this was the case.
     
  14. McGrain

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    I don't know.


    This is true.

    Do you also agree that actual returns in the boxing ring help to define the maxinum healthy weight for a boxer given that it produces scientific results that are related to that specific endeavour?
     
  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    You mean a rematch?

    Do I think that defines healthy weight?

    I think a rematch defines a result. What do you think it defines?

    As a tactic fighters often come in heavier or lighter to suit a situation. Is the method natural or healthy or is the method a means to an end?