How many HW champions meet U.S. Army weight requirements?

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  1. Unforgiven

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    I don't think the army charts are "wrong".
    But it's just a guideline.
    Most recruits aren't elite athletes with years of hard training to produce a filled-out muscular physique. It's rare.
    And many recruits are young men who are yet to fill out, and will put on weight with army training and food.
    So the chart's parameters are weighted more towards the latter.

    Primo Carnera was well off the chart.
     
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  2. Unforgiven

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    Even Joe Bugner in his prime was a few pounds over the limit for his height and age.
    George Foreman was a few pounds over.

    Abe Simon was well off the chart.
    Buddy Baer was 6'6 and at least 10 pounds over.

    Historically, the chart doesn't seem kind to the "tall" heavyweights. It cuts plenty of them off.
    It's not just the post-1980s tall heavyweights.
     
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  3. mrkoolkevin

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    You have no basis for saying any of this. The Army wasn't even trying to do this. Seems like you found a set of numbers that seemed to fit your agenda and you ran with it without researching the nature or purpose of the actual standards.
     
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  4. choklab

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    It used to be that "not that many" were off the chart. Now it is "not that many are in the chart".
    It seems like the reverse is true today, For every Abe Simon and Carnera in the old days we have a Deontay Wilder who is within the chart. How so?
     
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  5. choklab

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    I see what you are saying. Boxer's from long ago trained for many years too. so how come more heavyweights in the past were within this chart?
     
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  6. Unforgiven

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    Isn't it simply because there are MORE tall heavyweights now ?
    As said, the chart is far more restrictive on the tall end.

    I mean the guys who are 6'4 to 6'7 or so. There are more of those in recent decades.
     
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  7. choklab

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    No I dont think so.

    Tall guys like Tony Alongi, Billy Daniels, Mike Dejohn, Ernie Terrell and Chuck Wepner were contenders years ago. All under 240lb.
     
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  8. scarecrow

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    Boxing is different to military combat. A boxing match only lasts 36 minutes and there nowhere to go in the ring.

    In the Army if you're in ground combat that can last days. You have to carry your gear, run and walk for a long period of time. So what the Army is looking for is lean and high stamina men. Its hard for a big guy to have the optimal stamina that the Army is looking for.
     
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  9. choklab

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    But the way fighters used to train they used to more often than not fall into line petty much exactly what the army was also looking for. For many years. Taller ones too. Old heavyweights fit into that. New ones don't.

    Being as strong as possible whilst aiming for optimal stamina was also what heavyweights required. Then a whole lot of new bodybuilding ideas came into it and heavyweights went off the chart more often than not.

    Who knows? Maybe the taller heavyweights needed to be a lot bigger than it had previously been possible for them to be? The technology wasn't there yet.

    Still good fighters but the training has changed ...and so did the proportions of the heavyweights.
     
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  10. mrkoolkevin

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    Bump.
     
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  11. mrkoolkevin

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    Yes. The difference between 12 (or less) 3-minute intervals of physical activity and the demands potentially required of soldiers during extended military campaigns cannot be overstated. These army standards have nothing to do with anything.
     
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  12. choklab

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    It used to be that "not that many" were off the chart. Now it is "not that many are in the chart".
    It seems like the reverse is true today, For every Abe Simon and Carnera in the old days we have a Deontay Wilder who is within the chart. How so?
     
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  13. choklab

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    You dont think it embarrassing that the vast majority of elite heavyweights would not get into the army because they are too heavy for their height?

    The majority of champions before 1980 would not need to lose weight in order to get into the military.
     
    choklab, Sep 25, 2016
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  14. mostobviousalt

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    Why would a heavyweight need to go to the army?
     
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  15. mostobviousalt

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    And why aren't you including the cruiserweight division?

    The CW has plenty of guys who are 6'2-6'4 and who would make the US army requirements.

    They're just in the CW division now.
     
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