How many HW champions meet U.S. Army weight requirements?

I don't want to debate training methods--I just wanted you to confirm that you know better than the last two or three generations of professional fighters, trainers, and strength coaches.

 

Are you and DW the same person?? My posts were both clearly directed at him.

 

Most cruisers rehydrate to about 205-210. I highly doubt too many of them balloon up to 225 on fight night. Maybe Guillermo Jones, but he's a hardcore diuretics user. I agree with you that CW is the true heavyweight division, as least in terms of old school smaller heavyweights that were a traditional mainstay of the division in the past. There've been some absolutely legendary fights in that division which have passed totally under the radar in the last few years.

Regarding your suggestion, I'm not sure if it needs a name change so much as better PR and perhaps a few more top class American representatives to wet the bigger networks' interests.

 

I know that the conditioning of the fighters today is worse than the fighters of 15 rd era's even though they fight only 12. Again, Do you deny this?

 

If it was a handful of guys I could understand but when it is nearly an entire division you have to look at the methods.

 

I dunno man. Just seems like there's this general apathy hanging over the division that leeches into fighters' work ethics and leads to them not putting in a hundred percent into their training, or even anything approaching that. Look at guys like Arreola, Solis, Andy Ruiz, Jarrell Miller. You can't tell me their atrocious physical condition is down to anything other than pure laziness.

There are plenty of fighters who are perfectly well conditioned to go a hard ten or twelve, Jennings, Wilder, and Parker to name a few. The difference between these guys and the rest is a matter of effort rather than anything particularly revolutionary in training.

 

I agree that laziness plays a part. Thanks for bringing up Wilder and Jennings because it brings me to another point. They weigh from 220-225 yet are talented guys and were/are in the upper part of the division. The INSHAPE guys have no problem going the 12 rounds but the out of shape guys struggle. I don't think it is a coincidence that their weight false down in the 220-225 range.

I don't want to give the false impression that I think all heavies should be 200 lbs soaking weight. That is not it at all. I just believe they should be able to fight a good fight for 12 rounds and the weight would inevitably fall 20 lbs lower.

 

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Choklab brought up his ridiculous, discredited "military guidelines" argument again in another thread, and I couldn't resist. My bad.