How many HW champions meet U.S. Army weight requirements?

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    It was not discredited at all. The weight of evidence to compile a healthy weight to height ratio for the US military actually meets the ideal weight of most champions training under traditional methods before the steroid era.


    The point is for 20 years I've been listening to people tell me David Tua is big boned, that people are naturally bigger for their height, that Lennox Lewis and the Klits could never weigh less than 230lb, that it's NOT Artificial weight, that it's NOT an actual tactic to develop into that size and NOT changes in training that is making fighters too heavy for their height....

    When the truth is today the US army rejects anyone over and above what is naturally acceptably heavy for their height.
     
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  2. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    SO ****ING WHAT.!
     
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  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    What do you mean so what?

    So what that Tua was not "big boned" after all?

    So what that most Superheavyweights are that way because they trained to be that way?
     
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  4. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Ok.
    Just what in gods name are you trying to achieve?
    Army regulations
    Spinks experiment ( now that was funny )
    Artificial weight
    Big boned etc etc

    Thats how it is now, whether through roids, burgers or whatever and no amount of bleating is gonna change anything i'm afraid.
     
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  5. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What's the army requirements got to do with fighting anyway.......
     
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  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Absolutely nothing.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    We need a ****ing "dislike" button on this website.
     
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  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    how so?
     
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  9. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    The point is not hard to grasp.

    Modernists make the claim that larger HWs are a representation of the evolving growth of the human species.

    But if the Army regulations don't reflect that notion, then something specialized is happening in boxing.
     
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    So we can dislike **** posts.
     
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  11. Legend X

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    Who says that ?

    Larger HWs are evidence of nothing more than HWs getting larger, and many people claim this is quite strong evidence that smaller HWs can no longer compete with them.

    Let's not get the whole human species involved in the discussion.
    Nor the recruits of the US army.
    It's heavyweight boxers we should be discussing.
     
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  12. McGrain

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    Larger athletic heavyweights are very obviously a result of what happens in the evolving growth of the human species and something specialised is most certainly happening in many sports.
     
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  13. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Yes, but people aren't growing at the pace of growth of the average sizes in the HW division.

    The body types in the division are not just a result of babies growing bigger. It's more so a result of the ideas and hypotheses that rule govern the sport. Which if you look at history, confining one type of athlete to fit mold of a successful competitor never works.

    8 years ago, if I said that Lebron James would be supplanted by a 6"3, scrawny guy who could hardly dunk, you'd think of me as a wishful rose colored classisicst.
     
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  14. Legend X

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    "Something specialised" was always happening in sports.
    That's what full-time sports/training is : specialization.
     
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  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Well if a better point can be made then there would be no need to dislike anything because the better idea would eclipse it.
     
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