How many HW champions meet U.S. Army weight requirements?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's about the increasing cross-over between size and the increased athletic excellence that will naturally increase much more dramatically due to the inherent advantages of being a big heavyweight boxer. So the bigger the species gets, this will naturally lead to a vastly increased crop of big men in a number of sports because athletic excellence or even just competence becomes more common.

    This is obviously true too.

    What we see in the HW division is absolutely natural progression. Being big helps, so you see more big men; at the same time people are getting bigger which naturally "helps" matters if that's the word you want to use.
     
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    Numerous posters on this site can't be reached by any manner of means. They can have an idea absolutely blown out of the water by peers numerous times and still be found wittering on about it like it was proven truth two years later. So the above statement is, i'm afraid, very far from true.

    Most people ignore these posts because what's the point in talking to a brick wall? A "dislike" would just enable the group to call bull**** on these ideas without having arguments they've already had three times for a fourth, fifth and sixth time.
     
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  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes but if we are to make comparisons between eras it's kind of important to note how specialised the specialisation is within the two.
     
  4. reznick

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    We're talking about a very specific subject, the growth in size of heavyweight boxers, not sports in general.

    There's a difference between attributing this growth to a natural phenomenon that is out of our hands, versus a man made belief system developed through incomplete information and inherent flaws.
     
  5. Legend X

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    The U.S army requirements, i take it, are for new recruits.
    They are guidelines to keep fatties out. Get those unhealthy fat McD's-fed kids to lose a few pounds before letting them in.

    I don't think there's any U.S army rule against bulking up on weights and 'roids once you've been in a few months. In fact, in many units it's probably encouraged.
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    But getting bigger has not happened.

    Research shows that In the developed world (America in particular) the population has grown no bigger since the late 1960s. It topped out. That's what research shows.

    Personally I think boxing is a working class sport and I think in most nations living conditions prevent the working classes growing quite so big, perhaps it took a decade or so to catch up. But research shows growth actually topped out in the west a long time ago.
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    In this thread, nothing was blown out of the water.

    There is no right or wrong just popular and unpopular.
     
  8. Legend X

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    What difference does it make though ?

    The heavyweights got bigger. That's an empirical fact we all recognize.
    Why do we need to "attribute this growth" one way or another ?

    Boxers are boxers. Size is size. Weight is weight. Why all this philosophizing about it ?
     
  9. reznick

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    No they are designed for efficiency.

    It's easier to cut out the anomalies, than to make special equipment for different sized people.

    Vehicles, equipment, clothing, furniture, etc are going to be hard to use for bigger people.

    Shaq probably can't fit in a Humvee. So what would his superiors do? Worry about special accommodations for him every hour? No.

    Jess Willard tried to join the military and failed for being too big.
     
  10. Legend X

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    Well, all I see mostly is people just making stuff up, assuming stuff without first-hand knowledge and jumping to conclusions.
     
  11. reznick

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    What's been made up here?
    I noticed a wrong claim you made since this thread has been bumped, and that's about it.
     
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  12. Legend X

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    Okay, that makes sense - at the top end anyway.
    And nowadays we have more active heavyweights the size of Jess Willard.
     
  13. reznick

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    The difference is that in one scenario, the size increase is due to a natural phenomenon. In the other scenario, it is due to design.

    And in regards to the subject of HW boxers, it seems to be more of the latter, than the former.
     
  14. McGrain

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    We've been through this in great detail. What you are writing is not true.

    "In the developed world"? Are you ****ing kidding me? Heights have increased dramatically post 1960 in Denmark, Germany, Sweden, Italy and France AFTER 1960. And you've been shown this evidence during this exact same discussion a year ago. And one of two things happens: you ignore it because it doesn't jive with your myopic world view OR, you're incapable of taking on new information.

    This is why talking to you is so incredibly difficult. You repeat yourself ad nausea no matter what is presented to you.

    Flat out lie and or example of your inability to absorb new information.

    http://www.randalolson.com/wp-content/uploads/historical-median-male-height.png

    But you've seen this chart - and others like it - already. In a few months it will be like you've never seen it, or more likely, you'll be quoting the selective pieces of information that support your position in isolation of the overall data trend.

    Total waste of my time.
     
  15. Legend X

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    Generally in these discussions, when training "methods" are cited, that's very rarely elaborated on in reference to any first-hand knowledge.
    I'm not saying some things haven't changed or been introduced but it is over-stated.
    For every boxer who makes a big deal out of cutting-edge scientific training, there are a few who really stick with same old school training. And only 30 years ago or so there was really nothing but old school methods.