How many more losses would Lennox Lewis have if he fought these 5 fighters?

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  1. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    I see a 96 Holyfield and 04 Vitali pretty much as 50/50 fights.
     
  2. HerolGee

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    the guy who cant lace up vitalis gloves, stopped said prime vitali before halftime in his pre-retirement year.


    So, mate, I wonder, you ever heard of the phrase kliturd self destructs once again (K.S.D.O.A)?
     
  3. Rumsfeld

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    Am I? Or are the people who are saying Lewis would suffer 2-3 more losses people who were constantly picking against Lewis all along during his career anyway (assuming they were even old enough to watch).

    I don't believe Holyfield was much better in 1997 than he was in 1999, but I believe Lewis was arguably at his absolute peak at that time.

    Ibeabuchi's claim to fame is beating two small heavyweights, and Golota was clearly viewed as the more talented fighter at that time.

    Corrie Sanders was a career journeyman whose claim to fame was blasting out Wladimir - but he had never accomplished anything else of note at any point during his career.

    Mike Tyson was a total head case at that time. This was around the period where he decked Norris after the bell, tried breaking Botha's arm, and attacked the referee during the Savarese bout.

    And I always thought Vitali was given too much credit for having a couple of decent rounds against Lennox in a losing effort, so I don't see Vitali doing any better than the first fight - that, to me, was about as well as he could have ever hoped to perform against Lewis, and he was still stopped inside the distance.

    I don't see any valid reason to pick any of these guys to beat Lennox. Does that mean he would definitely win all 5 fights? No, of course not. But given his track record, and the track records of the hypothetical situations proposed in this thread - the safe bet is Lewis winning all 5 matches.

    With regards for those who predicted Lewis would lose 2 or more of these matches - well, I'd be very curious to know how many of these people were incorrectly picking against Lewis frequently throughout his championship run.
     
  4. HerolGee

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    whilst the holyfield fight would see evander younger and fresher, so would lennox be.
    and asking a retiree to fight someone prime is stupid, you shouldn't be doing that.. although it didn't stop wladdie.
     
  5. Pugilist_Spec

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    Lewis around 96 was still honing his skills and looked vulnerable against trialhorse Mercer, while Holyfield demolished Tyson in that period. I would not pick against Lewis here, but I see no reason to favor him at all.

    And while I agree that Lewis had every right to retire and proved himself as the superior fighter by stopping Vitali at the end of his career, that fight is still a part of the gauntlet Lewis is supposed to run through, going by the OP.
     
  6. HerolGee

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    perhaps it would be 50:50, yes, Pugs, but lewis would be closer to his physical prime, in fact in it, so that counts against evander too.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

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    If you're going to go that route, then Holyfield was coming off of a devastating KO loss going into the Tyson fight, and Lewis demolished the guy who brutalized the guy who knocked Holyfield out - and Lewis did it in a mere 95 seconds.

    :smoke
     
  8. BCS8

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    Holyfield > Akinwande
    Ibeabuchi > Golota
    Sanders > Botha

    etc

    Yes, they would be part of an already stacked career. They are replacements, and much more dangerous ones at that.
     
  9. HerolGee

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    BCS no, Mendoza made it quite clear it was replacements for them all except post retirement lennox vs vitali (which is just an unfair matchup, facing retired fatties) -



    - hes clearly destroyed your post. Its mutually assured Kliturd destruction.


    furthermore Ike never won a title, never proved he was consistently world class like golota did. Corrie didn't even prove he was a valid contender, which botha did more than once, and post prison trauma Tyson was 50% of what he was, but on that count alone you might be right he might be better than Grant.

    Shame you are only right on that ONE if you rewrote Mendozas rules though.
     
  10. Rumsfeld

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    Based on what? Nobody was ranking Ike ahead of Golota at that time - nobody.
     
  11. Pugilist_Spec

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    There are far too many variables to consider here, in order to support this train of thought.
     
  12. BCS8

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    @Rumsfeld - I think that you are somewhat underestimating the increased calibre of opposition here. I would argue Sanders is a great deal better than the game but limited Botha, that Ibeabuchi with his marvellous workrate and punch and iron chin was miles better than the menatlly disintegrating Golota and that Tyson may have been a headcase but he was much more dangerous the younger he was. As for Vitali I LOL at anybody that would seriously favour Lewis over him at that age. His TKO6 victory was a great achievement but more or less like Schmeling's win over Louis ... unlikely to happen again ...
     
  13. Rumsfeld

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    Your claim was equally predicated on scenarios involving too many variables.
     
  14. BCS8

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    :patsch:patsch:patsch

    Herol self destructs once again. Dude. Stop drinking now.
     
  15. HerolGee

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    don't pretend u didn't know he was replacing them.