How many more losses would Lennox Lewis have if he fought these 5 fighters?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Here's what's funny with the people voting for zero losses. Lewis was waxed twice by one punch KO's early at the hands of Rahman and McCall.

    4 of these opponents I listed are big punchers, and I'd argue more dangerous than Rahman and McCall overall.

    The fifth is a solid puncher that drew with an afraid to engage Lewis. ( Holyfield ) In the re-match, Lewis wore a very high padded cup guard way above his belt line to protect himself from Holyfield body shots.

    BUT according to many he doesn't get chin checked or lose on points in all five matches. I'd bet $10,000.00 he does not win all five matches.

    History shows he would, and keep in mind here he's facing younger versions of Holyfield and Tyson.
     
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  2. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Or maybe these people have done a little math. Being knocked out 2 times in 44 fights is a 2/44 -= 5%. This means of the fights he fought, there was a 95% chance he wouldn't get knocked out. And that's over 44 fights, not 5. If you extrapolate this to 5 fights you're looking at less than a 1% change of his getting knocked out. And since 3 of the guys he beat never knocked him out, there
    no reason to think they would if they fought during a different time period.

    So keep the hate coming.
     
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  3. BCS8

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    With respect, boxing isn't math. If it was Wilder would be TBE in the HW division ... look at the math!
     
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  4. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It becomes math when someone says because two people were able to knock Lewis out, therefore others would also.

    If that's not a math driven answer, what else is it? It sure the hell isn't an in-depth ****ysis.
     
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  5. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Anything he posts is always agenda driven.

    Despite being told numerous times, he still likes to ask why Tyson fought Smith and Bruno and not Spoon and Mcall.
     
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  6. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I find it difficult to see why people would criticise a fighter for dropping a belt to a mediocre fighter while ignoring the fact that he spent most of his career fighting numerous great/very good fighters back to back?

    Does anybody really give a **** about John Ruiz?

    And I'm still waiting for a reply on how Vitali (which is who this thread is REALLY about lets face it) performed vs Mcall, Rahman, Ruiz and Byrd? The guys Lewis lost to or 'ducked'.
     
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  7. Dubal Speek

    Dubal Speek Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He could have 0 loses or 5 or any number between.
     
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  8. BCS8

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    Mrs Ruiz?
     
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  9. McGrain

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    This is exactly the same argument that people have used against Wlad Klitschko for years. He was knocked out twice and has fought punchers since and nobody has got near knocking him out. It's also the argument people used against Lewis for years post-McCall. Lewis didn't fight five fights but fifteen fights between McCall and Rahman without being KO'd. He proved that despite the limitations of his punch resistance he could safely box guys like Tua and Grant without being KO'd. Picking "a puncher" to beat him because punchers beat him before is no more or less valid than those repeated picks. In short, history has already proved your maths wrong.

    There is nothing at all preventing you making this bet. You can bet 10k any time you like on an ageing fighter getting beaten in five fights; but you won't. Because you know that that isn't worth the risk. You absolutely would not make that bet.

    People voting 0 are arguably taking the most precise approach. He would indeed be favourite in all of those matches going in, in four of them, inarguably. I'd make him favourite to win each on a match by match basis, although obviously the odds get longer the further he goes.

    I have no doubt that people, asked in the wake of the McCall KO, asked if Lewis could beat Holyfield, Vitali, Tua, Tyson and Akinwande, they would have answered no. And been wrong.
     
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  10. Azzer85

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    Apart from her.
     
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  11. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't let her hear you say that, or else she'd knock you out with a ***** slap....
     
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  12. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, under this scenario

    Ibeabuchi 97 - Lewis wins, Ike too green and unexperienced in 1997

    Tyson 00 - Lewis wins without a doubt

    Sanders - Lewis won't underestimate Corrie as he knew him well. And Wlad didn't know how to clinch in 2002, Lewis knew it. Lewis here.

    So the best chances to win has Holy in 97. And Vitali in late 2003.

    In case of rematch Vitali would be the favourite because Lewis would be 38 and already fading at that time.
     
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  13. Rumsfeld

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    :thumbsup

    Way to slap down the fuzzy math being employed by the agenda-driven thread starter.

    :smoke
     
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  14. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Great point on the similarities between Lewis and Wlad. If we swapped out 5 of Wlad's opponents with tougher foes from his era, he'd probably go 5 for 5 as well as he reigned in an extremely weak era, and the weakest ever according to his own HOF trainer.
     
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  15. VG_Addict

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    I think if the fight had continued, Vitali would have lost sight in that eye and be forced to retire, making a rematch moot.
     
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