If Tyson’s camp wanted him to fight Lewis, he would have. You know there is absolutley no way King is offering that fight (sans purse bids) without attachments to Lewis if he wins. And Lewis doesn’t have to do that as mandatory challenger. He doesn’t have to literally sign his life over to Don King (ask Mike how that worked out for him). He doesn’t have to sign for $16-18M and then get $175K because Don deducted $1M for every towel he used when he showered in training camp, etc. That money is a mirage … go read up on how many guys got less than contracted from King. Lewis’ people weren’t taking fool’s gold. A purse bid means the money is put in escrow and disbursed as soon as the fight is over. Don hands the WBC the money and he can’t weasel out of full payment. Showtime had no power to prevent it going to purse bids. It happens without their say-so UNLESS Mike gives up the title to avoid fighting Lewis, which is exactly what happened. They could have paid fair market value to win the purse bid by offering more than HBO — but they didn’t have to because King has zero intention of Mike fighting Lennox. And Mike didn’t want any. They’d have paid Lewis step-aside forever rather than face him.
The article mentions that it's King (according to him) that was willing to give options and had agreed to others conditions : « According to King, he agreed to all of the conditions set forth by HBO through Lewis’ manager, Panos Eliades. King said HBO’s terms called for Lewis to meet Riddick Bowe first, HBO to get its normal distribution fee from Lewis’ purse for the Showtime fight against Tyson, HBO to get the rematch if Lewis beat Tyson, HBO to get the delayed tape rights and for King to give HBO options for five fights by IBF welterweight champion Felix Trinidad. » Do you have a source corroborating what you are saying (not about others fighters but concerning this specific situation) ? Thank you. Because Lennox had no problem dealing with King in 1993 and 1999.
so please explain to me why Master Lewis refused to fight Byrd and gave him the IBF belt, why he refused to fight Ruiz and gave him the WBA?
So, Ruiz has been explained to you over and over by others than me. And I must say that you are proving yourself a ****ing moron that still go on about this, and you are going on my ignore since you're obviously such a waste of time. I really have no use for seeing posts by or discussing with posters that have had something so thoroughly shown to them yet refuse to accept it. You should be badly embarrassed, but you seem to lack that ability. As for Byrd, I do consider that a duck. Byrd was quite possibly the most deserving contender with Wlad KTOF by Sanders and Lewis dropped a belt rather than facing him. Doesn't mitigate Tyson's blatant duck, though, so again cringeworthy that you bring that up as some deflection.
I mean, considering how Byrd got whooped by Vitali and Wlad, did we really need to see Lewis do the same thing to him for it to not be considered a duck?
apparently people like you are irritated by the fact that they can't deny the facts so they hate people who keep repeating them, right? we can't help it if Foreman gave the belt to Tucker and Shulz, Tyson gave the belt to Lewis, Bowe gave the belt to Lewis, Lewis gave the belt to Ruiz, gave the belt to Byrd and gave the belt to Vitali. I don't have a problem with it because after watching boxing for so many years, I know that it's business. You have a problem with this because you confuse big business with a fight in the school corridor
Vitali actually quit against Byrd . In a fight he was winning.... Which somehow makes that loss so much worse in my opinion. Especially when considering how late it was in that fight. I've never seen a great fighter quit in the ring in a fight he was winning from an injury that could've been overcome. Just my two cents on V. Kleichkos and that loss.
As much as there's valor in fighting on with an internal injury, we shouldn't put anything against a fighter who quits because of it, especially while comfortably ahead.
We all know the Desiree Washington fight was fixed after years of research. But I digress... Mark Young. It was a Seldon-esque fall 11 years before Seldon. Mitch Green. Jose Torres threatened Green would never get a big money fight again after Green threatened to pull out of the fight. After 10 rounds it looked like Green survived and Tyson possibly let him. Julius Francis. Everything Tyson threw knocked Francis down. Everything. Lou Savarese. Could that one leaping left hook cause so much damage? Not sure, still on the fence. Brian Nielsen. Going into the later rounds and he quits on his stool. Now I'm not saying these were outright fixed fights, just odd circumstances and endings. These were the fights that looked the most "fixed" so I chose these bouts by my standards to entertain this thread. It's difficult to find fixed fights during Tyson's career because he bombarded and bulldozed most opponents.
He did not get whooped by Vitaly. And you could make the same argument about Lewis in '96 "considering how Lewis got whooped by McCall..." Not a good argument in either case.
7-2 seems like a whooping to me, even if he quit on his stool, Bowe - Golota is thought of the same, even if the Pole got disqualified. A whooping is a whooping. This is in no way comparable to the Lewis - McCall, because McCall whooped Lewis in the first match while The Lion was still green, and when they came back for the rematch, McCall shouldn't have been in the ring. We never will get the chance to see how a real rematch would've played out because of McCall not being given the proper time to get rehabilitated. I really only needed to reference Wlad in this case, as his style was very akin to Lennox's, and we saw just how easily he dominated Byrd.
I get so tired of this biased nonsense. Maybe it's age catching up. Watch the ****ing fight. Its's nothing like Bowe-Golota. Some bad hometown cards doesn't change this fact, and you of course only cited the worst one. Pathetic with that kind of agenda. It was a competitive fight. Continue with more nonsense like this post and you're going on my Ignore too. I'm not here to spend my time quibbling with agenda driven trolls.
I'm sorry if I touched a nerve, I said 7-2 because that's what I remember scoring the fight as, maybe you're right. Who knows. You're the man, Bokaj.
It's definitely the Mckneely match, you could also see the post-interview fight with Mills Lane actin' confused as to why Mckneely trainer entered the ring to stop it and claimin he never saw anything like that. Seldon just took a dive lmao