How Many Of The 15 Below Does GGG Beat?

Exactly. GGG had an arrow pointing up before he fought Jacobs and Canelo and all the "Golovkin Marks" swore up and down that he would blow both away and leave them beaten and broken. Neither performance came close to what we were promised we would see.

Very underwhelming when stepping up in class.

Mediocre ending to a movie with a tremendous buildup.

 

Not the first time the judges got it wrong.

Golovkin landed 231/615 punches on Jacobs at 37% accuracy.
Jacobs landed 175 / 541 on Golovkin at 32% accuracy.

Golovkin knocked him down.

It wasn't close. It was competitive, yes, but if Jacobs had gotten the nod it would have been a robbery.

 

Not the first time a very close bout was called a Draw.

That’s a joke, right?
When rounds are so close that you’re relying on compubox punch stats to make your case, it could have gone either way.

Incidentally, if you want to take punch stats as gospel, Jacobs, by their account, outlanded Golovkin in power punches, which tends to be the better indicator for which fighter was being more effective.

Had it gone to Jacobs, the only people calling it a robbery would have been immature Golovkin fans.

 

I'm using compubox stats to underline the fact that I am right and you are wrong.

The actual fight consisted of Jacobs flurrying and largely missing and Golovkin absolutely carving him up with the jab and landing more accurate power punches. Jacobs even got dropped. You clearly don't know what you are looking at.

If Jacobs was so effective he would have hurt GGG and not vice versa. Moreover, Golovkin has a heavy jab which is as hard as some other fighters power punches, and it was clear by the way Jacobs was forced back by it that this is the case. Instead Jacobs was blowing steam from all vents by the time the fight was done, and it was clear that Golovkin could have gone another 6.

 

What do you think you are right about and I am wrong about? That the fight could have gone either way?

It's a reasonable position to take and not one for which I am seeking your validation - thanks all the same.

So, your use of punch stats is still misguided, perhaps even more so than I'd first thought.

Don't tell me that I don't know what I'm looking at, when this part of the discussion hasn't been about my own interpretation of the fight and how I scored it. Again, claiming it could have gone either way is not an unreasonable position to take in a close fight.

I think you know where you can quietly place your churlish comment, here.

You only make yourself look like a fanatic with these dreamy speculations. This is patent overstatement and not worthy of further response.

 

Have a good day.

You don't.

Landed more punches, drove him back, scored the KD.

"It could have gone either way"



70-30 say GGG won.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/ggg-vs-jacobs-poll-who-won.583620/page-8

Yeah, no science, I'm afraid. You can refer to the punchstats if you like

You're the fanatic that's beating a dead horse when you are clearly wrong.

 

One thing we all agree on is the best opponent GGG has faced right? Canelo
Can we also agree that over 2/3rds of that list where fighting a matter of hours after they weighed in for the fight? yes
Can we also agree that GGG would have been approximately 175lbs for this fight or a 'light heavyweight'
Can we also agree that the 'natural light middleweight' that came from a 'smaller weight class' would have been weighing close to if not more than 175lbs come fight night?

So either you guys think these fighters where good enough to beat the best middleweight in the world for close to a decade while giving up 15 pounds, or you completely forgot to add this into your equation when assessing the majority of these match ups.

 

The 'eye' test must also be skewed, because in reality, none of you know how Golovkin even fights at 160lbs. He'd be a step faster at the very least and his punching power might be even more significant if he were able to cut the weight healthily

 

Great point and one that is often overlooked. Golovkin is usually 172lb to 176lb iirc on fight night. Canelo looked to be significantly heavier and Jacobs was cruiser-sized when they fought - if we remember that the weight they weigh in at is NOT the weight that they fight at.

 

- You've just made my point for me. Thanks. And, all because you're too wrapped up in yourself to realize you've been arguing the wrong point, to no real end.

By the way, I've rarely heard of a "fanatic", who takes a neutral stance, i.e. "it could have gone either way."

Fanatics are more those, who deal in absolutes, such as:

I've not been flogging a dead horse (there's still some life in you yet, I suspect). Rather, I've been sat in the saddle, watching you make an ar.se of yourself.

You've been flogging the wrong horse, chap. But, desperate fanaticism will confuse a person, such as it has yourself. No biggie.

I've haven't got time to explain why your use of punch stats is childlike, but I'm sure, if you can take your head out of the tight, dark space you currently have it firmly jammed into, you'll realize why, in your own good time, at some stage of your development

 

^Opinion

Toney vs Thornton "could have gone either way"

Case closed.

Because punchstats aren't an absolute but are subjective according to who is scoring them?

Sure. I actually think Jacobs landed less than that, if you watch the fight in full and in slo mo (and not the highlights package as I suspect you did) you will see that a great deal of the flashy work done by Jacobs is in fact picked off on Golovkin's gloves, slipped or otherwise bounces off his back where it is not a scoring blow.

However, unless the fight is really close, punchstats are a fairly accurate way of determining the general trend of a fight.



Schools out for you.