How Many Of The Following Light Heavyweights Is Canelo Álvarez Capable Of Defeating?

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  1. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    Interesting on gvozdyk going 12 with canelo
     
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  2. pepsiclassic

    pepsiclassic Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He's the Lucian Bute of 175
    it's hard to think back of Bute once being known as a monster of a fighter.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Oleksandr Gvozdyk. No.
    Artur Beterbiev. No.
    Sergey Kovalev. No.
    Dmitry Bivol. No.
    Eleider Alvarez. No.

    Callum Johnson. 50/50.
    Joshua Buatsi. Yes.
    Anthony Yarde. 50/50.
    Jean Pascal. Yes.
    Joe Smith Jr. Yes.
    Maksim Vlasov. Yes.
    Gilberto Ramirez. No.
    Jesse Hart. Yes.
    Badou Jack. No, but maybe at SMW.

    So 5 with 2 50/50s

    Callum Smith. No.
    David Benavidez. Yes.
    Vladimir Shishkin. Yes
     
  4. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Gvozdyk isn't even a Southpaw tho..

    Bute was a very good SMW in his day.. elegant fighter, athletic, good body puncher.. but had his frailties.. a lot of people saw him as the heir apparent to Calzaghe in some ways but he came up against probaby the best & most spiteful version of Froch ever & it was a career altering defeat..

    Both were very good amateurs tho but I think Gvozdyk was better & as a pro he's better too.. I think Beterbiev will answer all the questions we have about Gvozdyk.. But don't forget he knocked out Gonzalez in 3 rounds.. a lot of people think Gonzalez beat Pascal! He also ended Stevensons reign & did a job on Chilemba..

    You may be right but only time will tell
     
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  5. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    You don't think gvozdyk stops canelo ?
     
  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    What are you basing this on? Him losing arguably 6 to 7 rounds to Jacobs after he badly gasses in the 6th? Are you basing it on him beating Callum Smith KO1 victim Rocky Fielding? Him losing to almost everyone with a decent jab and getting gifts? What?

    I'm not certain Canelo beat Saunders and Ryder, but you have him beating guys who could and have fought at Cruiserweight.:confused:
     
  7. NasalSpray

    NasalSpray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    On our scorecards a dozen guys on the list beat him. On Golden Boy DAZN shows he can't lose a decision, so you would have to KO him. I think maybe only Gvodzyk is guaranteed to KO Canelo.
     
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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I hate saying this, but many guys at 175 would literally bash Canelo into an unconscious heap, he'd actually be risking death fighting many of them. There's no scorecards in the word that could save him from that.
     
  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Not sure why you think he could beat as many as you've picked. most have good chins, most are far bigger and most far heavier handed. I think there's a huge possibility he gets walked down and beaten to a pulp against everyone I listed.

    The only ones I think he maybe could beat would be Jack, Hart and possibly pascal and Ramirez. The rest too big, too strong.

    Here's Callum Johnson, gave Beterbiev his toughest fight to date before being stopped.
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    Here he is stopped Shihepo, as you can see, he's a tricky customer and strong as an ox, and no walk in the park for anyone
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    And this is his destruction of Buglioni. Who went the distance with Fedor Chudinov.
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    And this is his destruction of Seanie Monaghan, which is almost unpleasant to watch.:lol:
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  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Care to elaborate on this asinine statement?
     
  11. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm basing this with the idea in mind that he moves up in weight properly and maintains his speed and brings up his power. He fought two close fights with golovkin who I think is more skilled than most of the guys on the list and a tremendous puncher. Maybe not a good enough explanation for you but just my thoughts
     
  12. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    GGG was 34 in the first fight? That's relatively young today and it's not like he's been in many "wars". He's fought mostly cans for the most part of his career and ended fights inside 3 rounds. He didn't look much different to me.

    I thought the first fight was close but he gave away the 2nd fight. Canelo fought his fight and won.
     
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  13. NasalSpray

    NasalSpray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I may be wrong but I still think GGG hits as hard as an average 175lber. And Clenelo was able to take GGGs power.
     
  14. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'll keep it simple, I could conceivably see Canelo beating Pascal, Jesse Hart and Zurdo. That's it.
     
  15. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Kovalev and Bivol are stylistic nightmares off the bat. They both like to fight long and keep the fight at a distance.
    Alvarez has mastered the art of dealing with such an approach, but he is at a serious size disadvantage.

    Alvarez can beat Kovalev due to Kovalev's weak inside game. And Kovalev is bad at taking body shots, something Alvarez is superb at. However, that distance. Alvarez is going to have a though, though time getting through Kovalev's jab. (And something tells me Buddy is going to teach Kovalev how to tie up on the inside)

    Bivol too likes to keep the fight long. And he knows how to tie up on the inside. But his jab isn't as educated as Kovalev's. Bivol uses his jab more as a measuring stick and to just touch his opponent. This leads to a predictable rhythm. However Bivol does have a solid left hook, which mixes things up.
    Something Alvarez would take advantage of is Bivol's jab and his high guard, which leaves his body wide open. I think it would be similar to how Alvarez dealt with Jacobs.

    Beterbiev is likely the best style match-up. Alvarez wouldn't have too many issues fighting at a comfortable distance. The problem is that Beterbiev has ridiculous power. It's hard to imagine that Alvarez could deal with it.