How many prime Feathers beat prime Sanchez?

No ones being dismissive of marcel Saldivar and Pedroza. Just stating I believe Sanchez to be in a class above those 3. I rate Sanchez number 2 all time at 126

Ford was a genetic freak. 5’11 74” reach at 126..Pedroza wouldn’t have those advantages in a fight with Sanchez..Sanchez had trouble with the length. Like most 5’6 fighters would. But like a great fighter, Sanchez adjusted and between a good body attack and occasional big uppercut, he fought his way back into the fight and won it late. How many greats posssessed fords physical tools? Saddled is the only one I can think of.

Pedroza had his share of struggles vs lesser fighters. Not beating Bernard Taylor, close fights with rocky lockridge. He had a lot of issues with certain fighters


Have you seen the Laguna Saldivar fight? What was your scorecard

Saldivar did have a great left but he had his flaws. He wasn’t very athletic, at least nowhere compared to Sanchez. He kept his right too low and was very susceptible to one of sals patented left hooks..he also left himself open for the uppercut on the inside whenever he attacked the body in close. He got tagged often in his loss to Kuniak.

Yes Saldivar had some Marciano in him in the championship rounds, but sal was a too poised and confident to let that bother him. He was a great Late round fighter the way he adjusted in the ford fight, and his incredible round 15 vs Nelson..a man whom I rate higher than Saldivar.

I don’t think the fight would make round 12..Saldivar would play right into sals strengths and I think sal takes him outta there in 5-6


Ernesto was fantastic but he didn’t have the size power or physical tools to keep Sanchez at bay forever. Sanchez will lose rounds early, but he will adjust..start landing more on Ernesto slowing him down. He will eventually catch Ernesto late when ernesto switches up to his aggressive style which he often did in fights going back and forth with his styles. Once he hurts Ernesto badly, he’s not escaping sal. Another thing, Sal had the athleticism to keep up with Ernesto’s movement..while he’ll lose rounds early, he won’t be bewildered or outclassed..Ernesto would have to fight the perfect fight every second to win this fight, but I don’t think he could.

 

Yeah, I've seen the available version of Laguna-Saldivar though I didnt score it. I thought Saldivar edged it from what I've seen though I'm trying to remember if it was the complete fight, which I'm thinking not......

Other than Pedroza having an off night with Taylor and lacking the power to keep the excellent Lockridge off him (I agree he looked mortal against both), I more or less disagree with a very significant chunk of what you've said and think you're being biased towards a favourite tbh. Saying that Sanchez is a level above the other three is ridiculous even if he was quite possibly the greatest achiever of them overall. I don't see anything on film to substantiate it.

Ford was indeed a freak and very talented offensive fighter, but Pedroza still handled him far easier than Sanchez did, though that isn't necessarily indicative of how a fight between the two would go. I think Sal would've handled Lockridge better but had an equally uninspiring time with a runner like Taylor.

Saying that Sanchez would stop Saldivar in 6 rounds........sorry man, that's when I know we're fundamentally on a different page from each other. Nothing that either of them achieved supports it, and using the Shibata fight as a stick to beat Saldivar with is unfair. For one, Shibata was an excellent fighter if you didn't take him out early and very formidable when allowed to build up momentum. Saldivar was verging on past it for that fight even though he was still the champion, he'd come out of retirement not long prior. I think his style would've complimented Sal's to produce a classic. He was better imo than the prime Nelson nevermind the green version who gave Sanchez a torrid time. Sal lost a considerable number of rounds to Ford, Young Azumah, Laporte, Castillo, Cowdell and took nearly the full distance to take out Lopez twice but is knocking out Saldivar in less than half a fight? Sorry pal, we have opinions of their respective abilities that just aren't gonna reconcile in any shape or form.

Marcel held his own against Duran even if they were both young. When did Sanchez ever demonstrate the that he could bring pressure like that against a mobile opponent? Marcel even rallied in the championship rounds against Arguello who was a beast over 15.

 

So I guess it's agree to disagree. Over and out.

 

He did enough to fly into any Featherweight top 10. Personally i don't think he'd beat the bigger more powerful Arguello. I think he'd lead early before Arguello started to find his timing and imposed his size class. I really don't think Sal would have cracked top 10 with the trials and tribulations of moving up ahead of him. Could be wrong.

 

You might well be right fella, I have no serious issue with anyone picking Sal to win. I feel he was greater than Pedroza overall and beat better fighters on the whole slightly but think Eusebio has the stylistic edge.

 

I get the idea also that Sanchez had peaked when he died rather than his best days being ahead and taken from him. He'd been a tremendous fighter for a long time and matured very early, I don't think it's out of the question that he might have started to decline after the Nelson fight. I know he was interested in going to medical school and having all his faculties in tact so I don't think retirement at a young age would've been too far fetched either.

 

By 1982 Arguello was too big, but had the fight come off in early 1980 around the time both fought Castillo..it would have been a fair fight..

 

He was improving every year. His athleticism is off the charts. When you are that athletic, A fighter like that keeps getting better until his late 20s as he grows intellectually superior...then he begins to physically decline as he hits 30.

I think Sanchez had another year or two where he would have jumped another level then peaked at 25-26...and been one of the best p4p of all time

He had fights scheduled before his death...even with an early retirement he still had 4-5 more years left in him

 

You did say you thought he would have beaten Arguello if his career continued, maybe i misunderstood.

 

Pacquiao is the most athletic Featherweight in boxing history. So you can't count him out against any 126 pounder ever. It's always possible that he just overwhelms his opponent no matter who it is. That said, dont know if you can favor him over Sanchez even still.

A dark horse here is Erik Morales. He has a 4 inch reach advantage the quicker more athletic man. Both are iron chinned so nobody is getting knocked out. And Morales was deceptively skilled outside fighter he just had to rarely use it except for Pac. Who Morales conceded that he couldn't outslug. And Barrera was an excellent pressure fighter who wouldn't let him box and move.

Not out of the question the quicker, longer, highly technical Morales fights with discipline and gets the decision.

 

Morales was an ATG talent, I don't think I favour him to get the job done here but it's certainly no big upset if he does.

 

I agree. He may not be favored, but I think stylistically he could be tricky for Sanchez. It wouldn't be shocking if the quicker (especially of feet) and longer Morales just beats him to the punch more often than not.

Have no problem with anybody favoring Sanchez though.

 

In terms of mid range straight shots anyone is gonna struggle to beat Morales. Out jabbing him is a big ask as well. But if your jab can offset him and you follow up with hooks and body shots, then you have a chance.

Sanchez has the right arsenal for me to favour him but Morales is awesome.

 

How do you think Lomachenko stacks up stylistically against Sanchez?

 

I've not seen enough of Loma against enough styles but there's every possibility he's the best FW we've ever seen.