How Many rounds can a Prime Vitali win against 64-67 Fully Motivated Ali?

Probably closer than the majority think.

 

Ali had major league issues with good jabbers at ALL stages of his career. I have seen the films, here’s the truth.



Some say Ali lost to Doug Jones, who would be a cruiser weight today. I scored it 6-4 for Ali, but Jones’ jab made it difficult for Ali.



Norton owned Ali in two of three fights, using his jab and right hand. Norton had a suspect chin, but Ali’s power could not hurt him.



Ron Lyle who was somewhat slow handed was ahead of Ali on a fair score card before Ali landed a bomb in round 11. The stoppage was a little controversial to some because Lyle was on his feet, and not had not gone down.



Jimmy Young made Ali look poor with his jab. Young times might have won the decision if he did not stick his head outside the ropes and play defense as often as he did.



I will skip the Holmes fight as Ali was well past his best, but the above is the truth.


Conclusion: We have six fights to look at. If the above fighters could win many rounds vs. Ali, so could Vitali. Except Vitali was much larger, hit harder, threw more punches, took a better punch, and fought at least as smart as the above fighters. Ali’s rope a dope plan would evaporate into thin air vs. Vitali. I’ll make no bones about it, Vitali would likely decision Ali post exile 1971-1980. A pre exile Ali would be a different fight, but regardless of whom you pick it’s going to be close.



Vitali himself has never lost more than two consensus rounds in the eyes of the judges in ANY of his fights. This is amazing. Vitali has the best round won to rounds lost ration in the history of heavyweight boxing. That is a fact. Ali? Well-um, he lost 2 rounds or more to the likes of Karl Mildenberg, Joe Bugner, Oscar Bonevenna, Ernie Shavers, AND Floyd Patterson to name a few. In some cases he lost five rounds or more to the above men.

 

Vitali would win via a lopsided decision over 15 rounds.

Ali is the black man that called himself the greatest during the race wars in the USA and is an icon for the USA.

However, he never was the greatest inside the ring.

 

atsch

 

Do we have six fights to look at? Or do those six bouts suit your biased agenda?

How about we add a 7th fight in there, which happens to be against one of the best jabs in the history of the heavyweight division? Why didn't you mention Sonny Liston when writing an analysis of how well Ali did against a good jab? Either you think Liston didn't have one or you left it out because you're biased. I think it's because you're biased.

Ali had no issues with Liston's jab which, by the way, was vastly better than Vitali's pawing, unorthodox version of the punch. Liston also has much longer arms than Vitali, threw the punch straighter, was far more accurate and had more speed.

 

Luckily, the majority don't. 72% think Ali would beat Vitali which should be more like 92% if it wasn't for the white supremacist biased Klitschko fans who plague the forum.

 

Ali would put a pummeling performance against Vitali, Vitali is too slow to hang with prime Ali (Cleveland Williams/Ernie Terrell).

Vitali would be hitting air all night and Ali would be dancing around him, making him look horribly slow.

 

Says you

 

"Vitali would likely decision Ali post exile 1971-1980"
He didn't say he would decision a prime Ali.
After Ali's speed was gone his defence proved to be pretty bad.

Liston faced a Prime Ali.
And Liston arguably took dives.

The other guy was talking about a 1971-80 Ali when he was talking about Vitali defeating Ali.

Prime Ali would win ofcourse.

 

He started his post by saying that Ali had problems with jabbers throughout his career and then mentioned Doug Jones, who Ali fought in 1963. He then skipped all the way to 1963, which completely missed Ali's prime and also the wins over a brilliant jabber, Sonny Liston. The six fights he highlighted didn't begin in 1971 which is why I picked him up on conveniently forgetting Liston.

Ali didn't have problems with jabbers throughout his career. Maybe he did whilst he was still green and maybe he did when he had lost all his footspeed but if we're talking about prime Ali, he wouldn't have had too much trouble with any jab in history. A left hook was his weakness not a jab.

 

Never opened this tread cause I thought it would be a shitfight but it's not.

I respect what Felix wrote about Vitali looking bad against a small, truely elusive target in Byrd. Ali, being even more elusive obviously raises questions about Vitali's durability and ability to land consistantly.

My breakdown


His footwork, while nothing like his brothers was still very effective and moved his massive frame around with ease, against Ali though he'd of looked slow like most everyone else.

The Krunkercut (spelling) Vitali's signature move. This freak arm punch that comes from all kinds of strange angles and at strange times is of no use on Ali. He wont stand and engage in mid ground, he wont try to fight with his head on Vitali's chest nor would he be likely to expose himself to it while moving into a clinch.

Vitali's chin out, gunslinger defensive style, which even the haters must admit is pretty ****ing cool meets it's match here. Ali is just too damn fast and all that moving at the waist while getting tagged is gonna tire the big guy out.

When he truley went to war against Lenny he didn't assert himself properly. Once the lion opened his face up he didn't change his game and he didn't do what he needed to in close to stop more damage from occuring. He was brave but didn't do enough. You can't put anyone in a fight with Ali without looking at them when they've had to dig their deepest. Ali is gonna throw a world of problems your way.

Vitali does have some things going for him though.

He won't gas. Even if this fight went 15 Vitali would have trained for it and used his energy wisely in the ring as he always does.

He won't be KO'd. Yeah yeah Foreman blah blah blah see above. He will go on the hunt all night cause Ali isn't putting him down.

His jab and right are fast and accurate and he has a slightly longer reach so he will land consistanly in periods even against Ali.

He's an intelligent man who wouldn't be thrown off by Ali and his people's bull****.



I can see scenarios where Vitali could beat Ali but id pick the later to win more often than not so I'd give the big guy 5 rounds.



The lion beats them both.

 

Ali is too fast for Vitali, especially on his feet. That means Ali can nulify Vitali's greatest strengths, which are his jab and right hand. The only rounds Ali would lose are early rounds if he's getting a feel for Vitali's speed and strength or if Ali takes breaks.

 

Im with ya.

I picture Vitali missing a lot and Ali taunting him while his cartoonish expressions getting funnier and funnier as the fight wears on.

 

I lean towards current Wlad as the best fighter in the family at any point. I know a lot of people would eat me alive for it but I think he has reached that level now.

I think he is now skilled enough to find a way to do well against the great brawlers and swarmers. He'd also do a lot better against the fast, incredibly gifted fighters like Ali.

"Once again, I highly suspect Vitali is also a H2H Monster, probably top 5-8 H2H. Still, I never know for sure because we haven't seen him against great competition (not his fault, blame the era)" :good