How many rounds does Greb last against Hearns?

Grebs training was fighting up to 45 times a year.

 

Which is highly inefficient and ineffective compared to fighting say 6-8 times a year with proper training.

 

He probably sparred and trained as well, but laid more emphasis on actual fighting.

Nevertheless, a week in between "real" fights against a variety of opposition isn't a terrible training routine--it leaves Greb just enough room for recovery, and lots of practical experience.

 

I doubt it has much effect since several equally good alternatives (including hard sparring) existed in the past. Moreover, the pads have been around for a while. Jeffries might not have had them, but I'm pretty certain Pep did.

 

You ocasionaly hear that the stories of Greb training with women and whiskey were hyperbole. Greb's manager for example said that he was focused and eficient in his training.

On the other hand he did have a verry eratic schedule.

Rocky Marciano went 49-0 in his entire career. Harry Greb went 45-0 in a single year!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greb made as much money fighting outside the ring as inside it. Today he would be a boxer and UFC fighter.

 

I am not denying that he was a GREAT fighter for his respective era, but lets be real here. Hearns would have smashed him. Even if hearns was playing around sparring, his footwork would be much more solid, and his punches much tighter then what Greb does in those videos. It is never going to be as good as seeing actual fight footage, but it still gives a good indication as to the level of skills that these guys possesed in comparison to their modern day counter parts.

 

I don't know...ask fighters like Bazooka Gomez, and Wilfed Benitez.

 

Interesting thanks for the lnks.

 

God, this thread is years old.

But it's nice to see that opinion on the classic forum has generally come around to the fact that Greb was indeed something phenomenal and unique in the history of boxing.

I had a thought about the strange 'training footage' of Greb. People today live with cameras all around them and photos and film bombarding their senses every day.

But back then it was a real novelty to have a camera pointed at you, and people didn't know how to act naturally.

For example, in a Channel 4 documentary about the history of pornography it was noted that the earliest nude models no idea how to act sexily for the camera. They tended to freeze up, or act unnatural. Of course, nowadays, even children (see the ridiculous American child beauty pageants) know how to put on an act, pouting and preening for the camera.

Look at early movies. There was no 'naturalistic' acting to start off with. So people did what they thought was expected of them...which was usually act in a very, overblown, theatrical way...because theater was the medium people knew. They hadn't grasped the potential of film yet. (I can remember watching Karloff's 'The Mummy' 1932, where everyone seems to make a speech and dramatically exit stage left.)

Harry Greb had little understanding of film, and was acting as he was instructed for the camera. Making a recording of a fighter was probably a novelty to the camera man, too! Maybe they thought the film would come out more clearly if Greb acted in a more deliberate, artificial way.

 

I don't no what some of these posters are smoking ? Let Tommy Hearns [who i admired],
fight and beat the likes of tommy gibbons, tommy loughran, Battling Levinsky, Gunboat smith, Jack Dillon, Big Bill Brennan [200 lbs],and a host of other heavier great boxers,
then we will intelligently discuss the subject of this post.
Greb was one of a kind, and his hard earned legacy should not be besmirched by silly
posts...From one who reads history.....

 

C, you are right on target...Never read a better explanation of cameras
thrust on Greb in his training session seen on one clip in 1925 while training for his bout with Mickey Walker.. His trainer was the 55 year old
Phil Jack O'Brien, who owned the gym.
On this playing for the camera with his elderly trainer, some unthinking posters conclude that Greb who had 300 bouts and beat the greatest roster of immortals, fought like this.Yes, and all the reporters who raved about him were drunk in their reports...Chaney, you nailed it.:good

 

I saw Hearns against Hagler and although the fight against Greb would be more of an attrition fight. I favor Greb in any fight from 160-175lbs. I like Greb by a UD or a TKO, Hearns has a punchers chance but no puncher was really too lucky or effective vs Harry

 

147lbs - Hearns KO1

154lbs - hearns KO1

160lbs - Hearns Ko1

175lbs - Hearns KO1

MISMATCH.

 

Thank you for the kind words, Burt.

I am 100% certain that Greb had no idea that these short film clips were the only visuals that future boxing historians would have to judge him on.

Imagine if he knew that he had less than 10 minutes of film to send to future generations, as a message in a bottle to stake his claim for greatness.

I can almost hear Harry snarl "Bring me Jack Dempsey..."

 

1 maybe 2:think