How Many Rounds Will Haye Last with Vitali?

Say what you want but that was a punch that landed on top if his head as he was slipping. It's basically a rabbit punch so it should not be scored a KD. Some of these posters are saying he was hurt when he clearly wasn't.

 

According to some people Haye has a glass jaw and **** reflexes.It is therefore nothing short of a miracle that this guy has never been knocked out

 

I did not mean to say he had bad reflexes, that was an error and I corrected it

He does however have a pretty average defense. Speed only gets you so far, look at Zab Judah, he has been faster than almost everyone he fought but was never particularly hard to hit. Just because he is fast does not mean he is good on D. He has never been "knocked out" but he's been rocked and dropped by some not-great competition and got stopped by a 40 year old who was a solid boxer in his prime but had not been in a meaningful fight for 5 years. HAEYlords like to say it's because he punched himself out. Whatever, let them have it, he's still been hurt and dropped in enough other fights

The bottom line is that HAEY showed on numerous occasions that he had a dentable chin at a lower weight class, exacerbated by the fact that he tends to get sloppy and lead himself open. I don't see how anyone being honest with themselves could truly believe HAEY's chin is not a serious concern against a true heavyweight with good power who is also an accurate puncher. HAEY's defense, regardless of his speed advantage, has never been impressive. He will be there to be hit, and VITLAI will be happy to oblige him

 

It depends on how Haye comes out. If he comes at Vitali like Hide did, then it will end early, 1st or 2nd round, but I think Vitali will end it around the mid rounds if he takes his time. Vitali can be aggressive or he can be an genius counter-puncher. One good punch and Haye will go down. Vitali has more than one jab, one of Vitali's shotgun jabs will knock Haye out. Vitali never fights the same in every fight, it all depends on his opponent. Gomez is 6 feet 4 inches tall, southpaw, excellent boxer, slick, good chin, had over 300 amateur fights as Cuban amateur, was great cruiserweight champion. Haye is not so good. Haye is 6 feet 1 inches tall, wide punches, not good defense, off balance, bad stamina. Vitali can end it early or late. Haye can't outbox Vitali and if he trades with him he will get knocked out. Haye can't out last Vitali either. This should be a mismatch like Vitali Vs. Hide, only Hide was much better fighter. Hide was heavyweight champion!

 

I never said that Hayes chin was good,I never said he could stand up to flush HW punches.Haye says himself that he could not take big punches from HWs.But the way the term glass jaw is thrown around is ridiculous

 

5 Rounds.

 

Wacth Haye against Mormeck and Fragomeni, his best wins, and tell me where you see his speed and angles. These opponents were significantly smaller than Haye. For a 6'8 guy with good reflexes, Haye would need to be super fast adn elusive. He was often standing in front of Mormeck and Fragomeni, trading punches. His speed is limited largely to handspeed which explodes from time to time in a fight. If he fights Vitali, he would have to move constantly and have great footspeed, which he never displayed. If Mormeck and Fragomeni can land good punches on him, how would he avoid getting hit by Vitali???

 

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Moron

Why do you people constantly compare Haye to Hide? Because their both English? Their styles are completely different, Haye is a counter puncher and uses reflexes to avoid punches.

I see no similarities in their boxing style whatsoever so its a pretty irrelevant comparison and you just wasted your time writing that boring long ass post.

 

i owe you an apology sir. I just rewatched the fight and last night i could have sworn that he nailed him solidly. I was mistaking. If barrett landed it was glancing at best when haye was on the way down. Maybe it should have counted, maybe not but there was not a clean punch to be certain. Having rewatched, I don't think haye was hurt at all, at least not on this occasion (even after the cheap shot no less!)

 

Bang on Chef

It was a balance issue, but if a punch lands its a kncokdown regardless if the fighter is hurt or not, but haye wasn't hurt at all.

He was more hurt from the barrett cheap shot as he was getting up which was the hardest and cleanest punch barrett landed all night. This also shows a vast improvement in hayes punch resistance at hw, as it was a clean shot which he wasn't expecting that landed flush. Had his chin been the garbage that a lot people think then surely he would of been knocked out by it ?

weight issues did affect haye at cruiser and his chin is better at heavy its not great by any means but its far more solid then it was at 200.


Can he beat vitali ?

I doubt it and every way you look at it, all i can see is a vk victory and im a haye fan but as we know anything can happen in boxing and there have been bigger upsets.

Buster douglas anyone ?

ill be routing for Haye though :good

 

In the Fragomeni fight, when Frag comes forward, he turns him beautifully and moves to his right and attacks. He repeats it through the fight. In the Mormeck fight he attacks Mormeck's body and pivtos to the right after the attck to set up something else.

Haye doesn't just have fast hands, he has fast feet. Haye won't have to move all the time because Vitali never applies any pressure, he likes to sit back with his hands and counter.

He's definetly not going to avoid all o his punches but he will avoid most. The difference in Mormeck and Fragomeni and Vitali is the former are younger and faster and have pressure styles. The ladder is old and slow and doesn't have the reflexes he once had before his injuries. His punches aren't very fast at all and his head movement is very slow as well. His feet look like they are in quicksand. Speedy skilled fighters like Haye speel big trouble for old slow fighters like Vitali. Vitali has the puncher's chance though.

 

It's all good man. I am glad you rewatched it.

 

4-6. Haye will do well early on but then end up getting stopped when Haye can't take Vitali's punches.